EXPERIENCE 246 | Talking with Teri Karjala - Business Success Therapist and Host of The Entrepreneurial Girlfriend Hour on Talking with Teri TV

In this episode of the LoCo Experience podcast, I had a lively conversation with Teri Karjala, a business success therapist and entrepreneur. Teri shared her journey from a small town in Kansas to becoming a counsellor to becoming the owner of a sizable therapy practice.  

She highlighted her unique methods using energy psychology and quantum physics to help business owners overcome limiting beliefs and self-sabotage. We discussed her evolution from counselor to business owner to media personality, including her YouTube channel 'Talking with Teri TV, and her newly syndicated show The Entrepreneurial Girlfriend Hour.  

Teri opened up about her adventurous spirit and various adrenaline-driven activities, and underscored the importance of embracing one's passions and confronting your fears. We wrapped up by exploring her family life and future ambitions, emphasizing her mission to activate and inspire others. Overall, Teri's insights into business, neural development, and personal growth offer valuable takeaways for anyone looking to elevate their life and work.

This episode has something for everyone, especially for those who are feeling stuck, so I hope you’ll join me in enjoying my conversation with Teri Karjala.  

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Speaker: 1:55

Welcome back to the Loco Experience. I'm here today with Terry Carla.

Speaker 2: 1:59

You got it.

Speaker: 2:00

And, uh, she is a business success therapist. She is the owner of talking with Terry. She's the host of the Entrepreneurial Girlfriend Hour.

Speaker 3: 2:11

Yes.

Speaker: 2:11

Not podcast. I almost said podcast on talking with Terry tv, which is on the verge of syndication and I know. And a nationwide audience or Yes,

Speaker 2: 2:21

yes.

Speaker: 2:21

Dang girl.

Speaker 2: 2:23

I know. How was that

Speaker: 2:23

like,

Speaker 2: 2:24

it's exciting.

Speaker: 2:25

Did you, it's like pitch the show before you created much of it, or did you create it for a while and then pitched it? Or how, how is, how's something like that go down?

Speaker 2: 2:34

Yeah, so, um, a couple of the companies reached out to me and then we, um, had some great conversations and then, um, yeah, as soon as, uh, I'm kind of glad that I didn't know what I didn't know in the beginning. Right. Um, before I said yes. Um, I always energetically test everything in business and that's why I've been able to scale my business. Yeah. And so I got a big fat Yes. And I'm like, let's do it. And so, so that will expand the expand energy is good. It should be easy. Expand. Yeah. And so, but it's been kind of interesting because in the beginning, um. So we had, so the talking with Terry TV evolved on, uh, YouTube.

Speaker 4: 3:15

Okay.

Speaker 2: 3:15

And then we had this huge production crew, and I kept telling the, the, the crew, I'm like, I am missing something. And so we ended up going down this route, kind of like where, and we still do them when I love them. We do business spotlights where we bring in businesses and we spotlight them and we talk about what they do. We have, you know, this whole production day, you get to the therapy

Speaker: 3:35

part on that too.

Speaker 2: 3:36

What's that?

Speaker: 3:37

The business success therapist part is that, yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:40

I'll get to that piece. But, um, so that started and then, um, we were on this journey and I kept telling my team like, I'm missing something.

Speaker 4: 3:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:48

And we started trying a couple things, and I'm like, no, that's not it. That's not it. And in life, I, um, find myself when I am like, at that place where I'm like, what am I doing? I start doing what I call experiments. Okay. So I started doing an experiment in October of 2024. Started the experiment. Experiment number one, led to number two, da dah, dah, dah. Number nine. Um, I got this download to do it with a live studio. Oh. Experience. So we brought in, you know, I think there, at the beginning it was like around 11 people, and we started doing the show in front of a live audience. Oh. And then it evolved and then, um, I kept getting more downloads. And then it's like, how about we have a, we need to get different furniture. So now we have around 20 people. In the studio with us. Okay. And, uh, we have three different types of shows. So we have my show where the, and I don't even like to say audience because they're what we call co-creators. Okay. They become part of the show. Okay. So they are the show.

Speaker: 4:44

You're like prices, right. Style, like, come on down. You can, I mean,

Speaker 2: 4:47

yeah. I mean, kind like, like, come up on that. So I do coachings, I do clearings. We have powerful conversations. Um, and we're actually, you know, helping support people to what we call activate, elevate and transform in their life or in their business. And it's all connected. And then we, we also have, um, uh, co-hosts that we interview and they try out for, so I'll be taking, we'll be bringing in two or maybe three more co-hosts. Okay. For 2026. Okay. And then we also have a very high level, um, individuals that we bring on. So, um,

Speaker: 5:21

and there's like a, I've, I've actually thought it would be pretty cool to have a podcast with a live audience. Yeah. If I could get somebody really cool like Kurt Richardson on or something like that. Or Terry Carala. I mean, Terry Carala. But I wonder if it's like, is it like, are they like clapping when they hear things? Yeah. Or what? The's Ament. They're laughing when somebody says something funny. I

Speaker 2: 5:43

mean, last night we had a, we had a show last night and it was, and last night, oh my gosh. It was so, so exciting, so juicy because we like. I've been doing this. And so we took it outta the experiment back in, uh, March of this year, and I was having a conversation with Barbara Walters previous executive producer. Okay. And we had this conversation and, and I was like, well, now I've created a marketing nightmare because now I have this and this and this. And she's like, Terry, you have a box of chocolates. And as soon as she said that, I was like, oh my gosh, I have a box of chocolates. And it made total sense. You know, like from, um, oh my gosh, what is the name? Um, life is

Speaker: 6:20

like a box. Periscope. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 6:21

aScope life is like a box of box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get. And so that's exactly what it is. When you go on the Ellen De Show or Ellen DeGeneres or Oprah, it, it's like the same format every time. You never, you never know what you're gonna get. Right. Oh, like, right. Like, you don't know who's gonna be there. It's all, it's all surprise. Right. And I love surprises, so I love building in little extra surprises. So we, uh, so we have a, um, we have a, yeah. Live studio. It's a live studio experience. Okay. Um, until you've experienced it, it's, it's kind of hard to describe, but it's so juicy because we get to have powerful conversations. So two years ago. Uh, almost two and a half years ago now, I went through what I would call like a dark night of the soul. Okay. And I, I don't even like to speak life into it'cause it was so brutal. Okay. So, okay. What was

Speaker: 7:07

you, had you sold your previous business at that point? So, and

Speaker 2: 7:11

it was kind of in a transition of that.

Speaker: 7:13

Okay.

Speaker 2: 7:14

And I will tell you, like, I don't even wanna speak life into it because it was so awful. Okay. Okay. So I'm gonna give a metaphor all and I wanna tell everyone this is a metaphor. Okay. Because sometimes people will be like, this really happened. Yeah. Metaphor. So it's like, I'm out in the ocean swimming mono own business and a shark came up and tried to attack me. Okay.

Speaker 4: 7:34

And

Speaker 2: 7:34

I'm like, not today, shark. I got bigger things to do. So I punched it in the face, right? And then I'm like, wow, that was very traumatic. I better get to the shallow end. So I get to the shallow end pretty certain. I was wearing a big chunky necklace and a crocodile came up just like death. Rashed me down. Now I am short, but I am scrappy. And I fought off, off, fought off this crocodile. And I'm like, yes. So I get out, I'm onto the beachy area and I, and I'm like, I gotta take a beat.'cause that was very traumatic. And I was like, whew. So I'm taking a moment and I look down and I am standing in quicksand and

Speaker: 8:09

there's honey bedrooms all around you.

Speaker 2: 8:10

Right? Exactly. So then I, I, I survive. I get big, I survive the quicksand, I step out and then I'm dusting myself off. And then. Out in the horizon. It's like, oh. And I'm like, yes. I'm so excited and delighted, and I rush out only to be hit by a Mack truck. Okay. And then I feel like I broke every bone in my body. So now I'm in a wheelchair wheeling around man own business. Okay. And then out of nowhere I get steamrolled by a, um, steamroll.

Speaker: 8:45

So, and then like, obviously we're, these are metaphors, but these are

Speaker 2: 8:49

metaphors, like of the craziness. And so I step out and I'm like, you know, the, the movie, uh, who framed Roger Rabbit and be like, he blows himself back up right in Tune Town. And so I just go back over there and I blew myself back up. And I am five two in real life, but I identify as five seven. Okay. So I blew myself up to five seven, and then probably like six months later, you know, I had a couple little pricks, no pun intended, on my, on my, um, on my arm. I just patched those up with some super glue and some rubber bands, you know, I mean, uh, band-aids. And, uh, now we're good. And then probably about six months after that, I kind of stepped back into my body.'cause it was, it was really traumatic. And now I can kind of joke about it now, but there was a lot of things that were happening. Well,

Speaker: 9:31

I, I feel like. Um, like you're asking people on your show and they're like sharing some of their traumatic experience and you're clearing them and getting into it and stuff. But all I know is metaphors here. Are we Yeah. These actual physical things that happen to you. Oh gosh. Yeah. Or job losses, or I mean,

Speaker 2: 9:48

you name it, you, I mean, I family

Speaker: 9:49

members dying.

Speaker 2: 9:51

Um, and you don't have to get into detail, but I'm really curious. Was it health, health and

Speaker: 9:56

wellness relationships with your kids? Like what do talk It was a lot

Speaker 2: 9:58

around the, the other company, the other business. Okay. And I had some, um, interesting staff stuff come up.

Speaker 4: 10:05

Okay.

Speaker 2: 10:06

Um, and I was like, this is, and I, at some point I was like this, like this, like this is like a clown show. Like someone's gonna jump out and say, just kidding. You're on kidding camera. Like,

Speaker 4: 10:16

mm.

Speaker 2: 10:16

It was some of those crazy experiences where I just was like, I kind of lost faith in humanity. Mm. And just people just doing the right thing. And like people just, I grew up in the Midwest and I just, I am, I, I say what I'm gonna do, I do what I'm gonna say, and not that I say I'm, I'm perfect. I've made choices that I've, that I regret. And I, and there's times I've showed up that I regret how I showed, showed up in certain ways. And, you know, sometimes I got, my emotions got the better of me, but I'm, but just core moral values.

Speaker: 10:46

Yeah. Your intentions were worthy of

Speaker 2: 10:47

Yes. Right. Uh, and so, but out of that, out of all of that, that came out, what I realized is when I was in the thick of it, um, I went to my, my support system. And my support system really couldn't hold space for me.

Speaker 4: 11:03

Hmm.

Speaker 2: 11:04

Because they're like, Terry, this is not you. Like you're this powerhouse. Like, get stuff done. Go, go, go do, do, do like all the things. And they really had a hard time and they're like, just shake it off. Like, what? And then they really had a hard time like going like, wait, you are, you are the person that like has that has, it

Speaker: 11:23

doesn't get

Speaker 2: 11:23

figured out. So it was like

Speaker: 11:24

factors beyond your control to some extent with people in Oh, 1000% behind my,

Speaker 2: 11:29

but outside my control. Yeah. But also it

Speaker: 11:31

seems a little bit like you let it get to you in such a way that you didn't kind of jump on and take control like your friends expected you to.

Speaker 2: 11:40

Yeah. And it was just like, it was a, it was a dark time and there was a lot of like,

Speaker: 11:44

and set the stage a little bit. It was a counseling firm, right? Yeah. Like you built a pretty big counseling practice. Yeah. I had, I had

Speaker 2: 11:48

a, a counseling firm and I had some staff that just really did some really Yeah. Backhanded stuff. Um, yeah. And uh, so it goes, um, and it was just like, and then like one thing led to another and then I had, you know, some personal stuff going on. I had, you know, that stuff going on with the practice and I'm just telling you it was like insane. And so, well, and I'm getting,

Speaker: 12:07

so this is like 22, 23 timeline? Or 20, yeah. 21. 2023. 23. Yeah. And not to make any excuses for anybody, but like after the COVID stuff, people were crazy and they still are, some of them are still scarred. Um, and I have to think that. The internalization of some of that Craig Ccra into all those therapists and people and the industry in general Yeah. Was probably traumatic and people reacted in ways that maybe they wouldn't have. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:36

Maybe in 2019. Yeah. Maybe. Or maybe they were run to the core anyway. I mean maybe like, right. Like there's a lot of dynamics. Right. Um, but then after that, so I was realizing that I had to go like to strangers to get support.'cause then they didn't have past history with me. That's like, oh, Terry just figures it out, da da. And Terry's like, happy go lucky. And Terry's so optimistic and Terry's da da da. Right. They didn't have like that preconceived notion about me.

Speaker 4: 12:59

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:59

And so then, um, so I started reaching out to like complete strangers to be able just to be a support. Did you go to a counselor? I, I actually didn't. I actually didn't. The cobbler kids don't, which is so funny. Don't wear shoes. Which is so funny'cause like in the very beginning of the counseling experience, um, uh, I, I. Very early on. So after I got out of my master's degree, I obviously, so how I started my counseling practice, um, was back in the day. I, um, I was a peer counselor in my high school.

Speaker 4: 13:35

Oh.

Speaker 2: 13:35

And so I was a, a peer counselor, and then we went to Washburn University to get training. So as a, as a sophomore, we were getting college. That's wild training.

Speaker 4: 13:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:46

And which actually made it fantastic.'cause it built up my resume and it looked amazing. Yeah. Because I had like three years of like, you know, Washburn University, you know, and training and practical experience counseling, peer counseling. Yeah, exactly. And so I was a peer counselor and I was in charge of the fifth and sixth grade, and there was a fifth grader that came to me and said that there was a sixth grade, her sixth grade friend was gonna commit suicide. Oh, wow. And as a sophomore in high school. Now granted, before this happened, let's be really clear, I wanted to be either a cosmetologist or an undercover cop in New York City, because that made sense. It's hard

Speaker: 14:19

to choose between those two. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:21

But if those two had a baby,

Speaker: 14:24

it would

Speaker 2: 14:25

be a therapist, I suppose. Right. I suppose suppose the cosmetologist people like to talk to and open up to, and then the, the undercover cop is like figuring out like, how does all this two work together? And Yeah. Figuring the pieces out like Right. And being in, in investigative mode. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So in a weird way, I made those two. That's

Speaker 4: 14:40

real.

Speaker 2: 14:40

I mean, right. Yeah. Anyway, so fast forward, um, built the practice, um. Um, where was I going with that? Did you

Speaker: 14:47

sell the practice then ultimately, or? We, we transitioned. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:51

We transitioned it to another person. Yeah. Um, and then she's been, you know, taking it over since then. Um, and, and then

Speaker: 14:58

you're like blank slate? Or had you already been doing talking with Terry stuff? Yeah, I talking with on, or whatever Terry. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:02

Talking with Terry came, so probably maybe 17, 18 years ago. Oh, wow. Um, I had, I had a social media person. Okay. And she goes, Terry, what's your retirement plan? And I'm like, oh, I, and I word vomited on her and I'm like, I'm gonna be traveling and speaking and it's gonna be called talking with dairy. And she goes, oh my gosh, I love that. She's like, you should buy the domains. So I bought the domains all those years ago.

Speaker 4: 15:27

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:27

And when she said that, I was like, what just happened? Like, why did those words come outta my mouth? Yeah. At the time, at the time I said those words, I was terrified of speaking. Mortified. Mortified, interesting. And I hated my name. And so in second grade I asked Santa Claus for a name change. I wanna be called Amy McCarter because I don't know why I love the name Amy. And then the, if you're gonna change your first name, you should change your last name. And if you're gonna change your last name, have instead of one capital letter, have two.'cause I mean, it's way funner to write like, well in

Speaker: 15:58

the mix, the mix usually come ahead of like Irish or Scottish names. Right, right. But Carter is definitely like a, just a regular old British person. There's no Mick Carters out there. Seven. I've never heard of a Mick Carter. Seven

Speaker 2: 16:10

was a, I was like seven. I could mcbe. Alright. No C seven. If you're seven, you didn't know enough yet to know there weren't any

Speaker: 16:17

McCarter's. If you could bring me a McCarter I'll, I'd love to meet him.

Speaker 2: 16:21

Right, right. It's just like my little anyways, but funny enough, funny story about that is that, um, when I had my, so for those that are looking at YouTube on the thing, I have like a, I call it the modern mullet. I have like, you know, long, I have business on this side and you know, party on this side and you get me, you get all of me. But when I used to have business and business on the sides, right? Yeah. Everyone, it's more my mannerisms. Everyone would tell me that I look like a meat polar.

Speaker 3: 16:47

Oh yeah. And so I, you do kinda like the Amy, I mean, it's more of my

Speaker 2: 16:50

mannerisms, right? Anyways, so I was at the airport one time and this guy comes up and is like, can I get your autograph? He's like, that thing that you did on, oh, I was like, oh, I'm not Amy p funny. I think they're enough less slimer

Speaker: 16:59

than Amy P, actually. Oh, thank

Speaker 2: 17:00

you. I appreciate that. I mean, I do have my squirrel suit on, so you can't really tell

Speaker: 17:04

there's, there's some big signs out there you pick up.

Speaker 2: 17:08

Right. Um, but I, I, I actually had, uh, for the longest time I had not, uh, a website called, not amy poer.com. Oh gosh. I know. But it just led to my, yeah, because I had, why not? I got it. I got it. So when I was speaking on stages a lot, yeah. When I had my old hairstyle, um, I got it a lot. So anyways, but, so

Speaker: 17:26

you were kind of cultivating this personality, if you will. On the side of growing your practice. Yeah. So that

Speaker 2: 17:32

came. So then, um, so then I had that really, so I call that my midnight projects because I was just so inspired. And so at night I, you know, put my husband to bed and then I would go and I'd sneak off. It was so funny'cause I felt like I was having an affair at one point.'cause I was like, I was like my creativity time. Yeah. So anyone out there that's listening that can, can relate to this, I get you. My creativity, my time is like between 10:00 PM and like 2:00 AM It's like, whoa. Let make magic happen. Like, it's so exciting, right? So anyway, so he would go to bed and I was like, and I had my, my blanket like over me and I was like, oh, my tablet. And I was like typing up scripts and whatever I was doing, right? Like creating whatever. And then one day he like pulls the covers up. He's like, what are you doing? I'm like, ah. Oh my gosh. I was like, I'm creative.

Speaker: 18:16

I'm not watching porn, I promise. Right. That would be if you busted him in the same, that's exactly

Speaker 2: 18:20

right. Anyway, so then, but that started like, so I started doing products and then I started having like, um, and I had like these products,

Speaker: 18:27

like product reviews and stuff, or Whatcha you talking about? Oh, just

Speaker 2: 18:29

like I had these journals. I had, I made these, all these journals called, uh, live, live Deliciously. Oh. Um, yes, they were, uh, I had different, so I had four different ones that were more for, um, adults and then I had one for teens and one for kids. Yeah. And we got'em in the tattered cover. It's like quote, they were things, they were just like a planner, like they were like a, um, inspirational journal and so they had prompts and things like that.

Speaker 4: 18:52

Cool.

Speaker 2: 18:53

Um, and then I started doing some other things and then I started coaching and, um, I had all these. A therapist that would come to me and say, I want coaching. And so then I was like, okay. And then my social media person was like, just start coaching. And I'm like, what? I don't know about that. And I'll, I'll be honest, like I had a lot of um, uh, therapists come to me.'cause I had built a, a, a counseling practice that was cash only. And that at the time it was very rare. Yeah. And dealing with insurance companies is so fine. We had no insurance and we had no, um, uh, we didn't, uh, we, it wasn't a rental model. It was, you know, anyways. But it was very unique at the time. And so, and so then I was like, okay, sure, I'll help. And, and it was pretty wild because I had all these therapists that were coming to me and then, um, I would say, okay, this is how you do it. This, these are my secret sauce. This is how I built Yeah. A seven figure company. Like this is how you do it. And, um, they wouldn't take action. They wouldn't do it. And so it got really frustrating. And so I was like, you know what, this coaching thing is for the birds,

Speaker 4: 19:49

right?

Speaker 2: 19:49

So I kind of stepped away from it. And then like, um, probably a year later, um, my previous, um, real estate agent that was for the commercial

Speaker 4: 19:57

mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 19:58

Side, comes back into town and he is like, Hey, what are you doing? We got together and at the end of the conversation, I was telling him what I was doing and what worked and what didn't work, and da, da da with the coaching. And I kind of was like, that was not my thing. Yeah. And he's like, well, at the end of the conversation he's like, I wanna hire you. And I'm like, what? And he is like, yeah, I wanna hire you as my coach. And I was like, for what? And he's like, and then he tells me his story and it's like, he's such a, an incredible guy. He was an Olympic athlete. And, uh, the 1980, um, Olympics was canceled because of the war.

20:25

Mm.

Speaker 2: 20:26

And he had worked his entire life really, um, um, training for the, the Vietnam War. What the, what? 19? Yeah. I think it was Vietnam. Vietnam was done

Speaker: 20:37

by 77. I bet it was 76

Speaker 2: 20:39

maybe. Oh, maybe it was, yeah. Yeah. There weren't war going on 80. Well, I thought it was eight. I thought it was 80. Uh, but I'm not a, I could be wrong. I'm not a history buff. Yeah. Anyway, anyways, but it, so anyways, so he like, um, he got some, anyways, long story, but then when we started working together, it brought him back to the Olympics in a different way. Hmm. He, he, he created a, a product and now he's just like, it was so powerful. But he had a lot of this, like a lot of limitations blocks I always talk about, you know. Yeah. We have usually the five limitations is, you know, the limiting beliefs, the self-sabotage. Um, getting stuck in fear overwhelm or the imposter syndrome. And so we walked through, well, why have all of those check, check, check? We've at least experienced all of them at times, right? We all have. We all have. Um, and so we cleared some of the blocks that were happening for him and then he just like skyrocketed his business. And it just been so exciting. And so as a therapist, I loved, you're like, oh, I like

Speaker: 21:32

coaching. Oh my gosh, not therapists. Gosh, wow.

Speaker 2: 21:34

Right? You got it. Ding, ding, ding, ding. And so, you know, as a therapist, I loved having people come in and they say, okay, I have a panic attack. I'm having'em five days a week, and you take from, you know, five days a week to zero times a week. And it was like very exciting. But when you can add onto it now, like, okay, I can, I can help you do this. And we're just getting

Speaker: 21:52

rid of the bad. We're opening, we're all, we opening to the good kind of. Yeah. And

Speaker 2: 21:55

then we can also say, okay, well we took the business from a hundred thousand to, you know, one of my clients we took to 1.4 million, um, in less than 15 months. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is super exciting. So now we can tie this dollar amount to it. And it's like, oh, this, it becomes really juicy to like be able to like be that expansive. So I love the business piece. So going back to your thing about how the business success therapist came, it's like I have a thera, I used to be a therapist. Yep. So I can bring in the psychology, the behavior piece, and I love combining it with energy psychology and then. Tapping into quantum physics. So how energy works. And so when you start to tie these together and understand how energy is impacting, how our thoughts are impacting us, and it all starts to unfold. And then it's like, okay, we can start to unpack this. And now I love helping people, you know, clear the blocks that are no longer serving them, but then give them the tools so that they can do it themselves.

Speaker 4: 22:50

Mm.

Speaker 2: 22:50

And I think as a therapist, like we always like, and again, nothing bad about therapy because like, you know, there's great therapist. They love long term

Speaker: 22:57

clients, though.

Speaker 2: 22:58

Fair. And so I, that's what, and I would always say you, when we meet people, I'm like, you're the, I'm the first therapist that I will admittedly say that I don't like therapy.'cause I can think it, I think it takes too long. And so I think sometimes we, we rely on talk, traditional talk therapy and traditional talk therapy. There's nothing wrong with that when used in the right way. Um, but we were coming from trauma based, you know, and so we would see, you know, uh, folks that were sexually abused, witnessing domestic, domestic violence, homicide, suicides, whatever that was. And so, um, it was, we're talking about like actually reprogramming the brain because whether it was type one trauma or type two trauma, like how does that impact you and choices that we made and like, unpack, you know, like all the things. And so, um, and I realized that it was probably early on. Um, I had a client that she'd been in therapy for 27 years. Mm-hmm. And her, she had retired, her third therapist. Mm-hmm. And the doctor, and the doctor who referred me, she goes like, well, she does some things outside the box. You should, you know, reach out to her. And, uh, she's like, let me tell you my story. And I'm like, you know, like, maybe, we'll maybe that hasn't worked right? In 26 years we're not gonna do 20, we're not gonna do five more years. And I said, what if we, what if we, what if we do something different? And so she, she was open to it and it took us sessions, um, to get her to that place. And she was still having panic attacks when she came to me and she was having two to four. And

Speaker: 24:19

were you already studying like. Energy stuff. Yeah. And that kind of thing. I was like, Hey,

Speaker 2: 24:23

let's do it this way. And she's like, yeah. And so I was like, I don't actually need this. Know the story. And she's like, what? And I was like, yeah, I don't. And so we ended up doing the work and then on the, on her last session she says, oh my gosh, can I tell you the story? And I'm like, ah, yes, go ahead. And she had this big epiphany and she was able to tell me in two minutes, did not have a panic attack. And she was like, and there she's like, I am, I can't believe I'm gonna say these words outta my mouth, but she's like, I'm almost at this place where I can feel gratitude for that happening. Hmm. And I was like, ah, yes. You know? Tell me more.

Speaker: 24:57

Like what, talk to me about like that process. Sorry, there's a box older book. Crawling that curtain, bothering that. I was like, what is that? What is that?

Speaker 2: 25:03

Um, no, just like, I think that, um, well, when we can understand like. The, like, the trauma, right? Like, you know, working through the trauma Yeah. Of whatever that piece might be. Okay. Um, and then, but you don't even know what the trauma

Speaker: 25:22

is in this person's case. So we had

Speaker 2: 25:24

tapped back into the emotions. Yeah. And so, because a lot of times the, the story just gets getting repeated, right? And then what happens in the brain is that we keep those neural pathways really strong, right? Mm-hmm. And so we keep almost re pattering that habit, right? Yeah. And so when we can go into and like, okay, let's go back into the emotion. So I come from, like, some of the energy work that I pull from is emotional freedom technique, which is the tapping Okay. Of that access consciousness, Donna, Donna Eden's work. Um, and just like some tools over the time that I've pulled from mm-hmm. And, and understanding how the brain works, how does that process information and like, you know, how do we break those neural pathways? Yeah. Yeah. Build new ones actually. And build new ones. Right? And so the, the, the work, the clients that I work with now are all business owners, women entrepreneurs, business owners. And so they'll come in with like, okay, this, this self-doubt, or, you know, I don't think I'm good enough, or whatever that might be. And it's like, okay, let's work on clearing those pieces out and then let's start speaking life into what we do desire.

Speaker 4: 26:24

Hmm.

Speaker 2: 26:24

Because so often I'll work with people and I'll ask them the question, what do you wanna create?

Speaker 4: 26:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:30

And you know what they'll, you'll most often say,

Speaker 4: 26:33

I don't know

Speaker 2: 26:33

all the things they don't. And they'll say, well, I don't wanna do this and I don't wanna do that. I don't do that. I, I don't, and I'm, well, where are we spending our time and energy and focus, right?

Speaker 4: 26:42

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:42

And so in, I've heard that about business, universal law. Yeah. You know, uh, law of attraction. Mm-hmm. Um, what we think about, we bring about, right. What we, um, you know, the, the inner becomes the outer, the invisible becomes the visible. And so when we start to look at how those can be different and how we can, you know, transform that, I love taking these principles and applying'em directly to business because now we can actually attract more clients that are, you know, I love like doing, I do a lot of different energetics and teach my clients how to use them because when we become really magnetic to, and, and we become in that higher vibration

Speaker 4: 27:19

mm-hmm. We

Speaker 2: 27:20

can attract to us the things that we do desire. Hmm. And it becomes less, it, we, um, it's less efforting in order for us to do that.

Speaker: 27:28

So are we talking about like the secret kind of stuff?

Speaker 2: 27:30

I mean, I do pull from like, the universal laws of, um, um, ma truths within that, but yeah, there's truth within that, not that simple, but at the same time, um, you know, where are we spending most of our time? Right? Yeah. Because I think a lot of times, um, we'll say, so the reason, so, uh, the secret. I'm not a fan, I understand the concepts, but what happens is with the, I think the book, when that first initially came out, they talked about, oh, just do your affirmations. Yeah. Do your three affirmations. The problem with that, okay. I always wanted to do like a sequel. If you

Speaker: 28:04

don't believe though, when you're telling yourself it doesn't matter. So what happened?

Speaker 2: 28:07

Yeah. And so when I was, I was on stage a couple weeks ago and I said, I said, I'm not a big fan of affirmations. And the reason why is like, unless it's an embodied truth, okay?

Speaker 4: 28:17

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 28:17

I am very creative. And so if I say I am creative, that is an embodied truth that is true to my heart. Like I know that that's an embodied truth, and I can say that and I believe that. But if I say I'm a gazillionaire, and that's not, not true, right? I mean, it's not true yet. It's not true. My unconscious, right? Yeah. That's running the show. It's calling you out on it is going to, it's gonna call me out on it unconsciously, and it's gonna be like, that's not true. That's, and I'll

Speaker: 28:41

even put a stumbling block in there Exactly. Keep you from it, because I know it's, I'll actually

Speaker 2: 28:45

show you some evidence as to why that's not true. Right? Yeah. And then I'll, right. And so, um, but if I ask the question, so if I start to play with a generative question, like something like, why is it so easy for me to blank? Or why do I have blank? Or I wonder what it would take for blank When I start to play with these degenerative questions, the brain goes, I don't

Speaker: 29:07

know. Let

Speaker 2: 29:08

me figure it out. So my little mins in my brain, it's more like a blank

Speaker: 29:10

canvas now, and now my brain. And so you got a pathway to draw.

Speaker 2: 29:14

Now my brain is actually gonna find the evidence. And so now I'm giving the brain a little task and I'm activating the reticulate activation system on purpose to find it for me. Because the reticulate activation system in the brain is always going to find and scan to find the evidence. So for example, like, you know, you might have just bought your new brand new, you know, Maserati, right?

Speaker 4: 29:36

I wish. Yeah. And uh,

Speaker 2: 29:37

and you don't see any of them on the, on the road, right? Until you buy it and you're like, oh my gosh, they're like everywhere. Like, you know, that's the part of the reticulating activation doing its job right now with the brain. I can actually be, I can summons the brain to help support me in creating my dream, to creating the, I call'em targets, not goals. The

Speaker: 29:58

unconscious brain. Yes. Probably both,

Speaker 2: 30:00

right? Both. Okay. So conscious and unconscious, right? And so now I can start to, um, really support the brain in looking for that evidence. So then when the evidence shows up, so I have these, um, I have these daily intentions planners, and the reason why I created them is, um, you know how we have like, oh, I'm thinking about, um, Kurt, I'm thinking about Kurt, I'm thinking about Kurt. And then like, I call you and you say, Hey, I was just gonna call. I was just thinking about you, or was I would just gonna call you. Right? What if we did that intentionally every day? Right. And so we can, right. And so my daily intentions planners actually was created so we can incorporate the brain. And so in one of them it says intentions and it's so silly. It's just all we are doing is working the muscle for the reticulating activation system. And so I'll draw like what I wanna see, like, um, it might, one day I, I had said, um, I want a sign of hope. I was going through this really, um, scary spot in my business. I was getting ready to take the leap of faith to go into a private practice. Um, and I was being kind of, I had, I had something, one of my bosses had me doing, um, had asked me to do something unethical. And I was like, oh my gosh. And I was like, I gotta leave. But I was so terrified and scared. Yeah. And so I, I set the, i, I set the intentions of like, I just need a sign of hope.

Speaker 4: 31:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:18

And so my husband and I still to this day, we never turn on the TV before we go anywhere. Um, especially before work or whatever. And so I was coming down the stairs at eight o'clock, 8:00 AM on like a Tuesday af or Tuesday morning, and I turned around the corner and the, and the TV's on, which I thought was weird. And I, and it was the movie, uh, filled a dreams. And as I was walking by it, it said, if you build it, they will come. And I just started crying and I was like, and I was sitting there and I was, I called my husband and I was like, did you turn the TV on? And he's like, no. And it's like, field of Dreams playing at 8:00 AM in the morning. Come on. Like, it was the weirdest like thing, right? So anyways, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna take that as my sign that maybe that I'm supposed to do this. Yeah. And then I did it and I, there's no regret. And it grew and expanded and I was like, wow, this is really cool. And so, um, we wanna start tapping into that ability for the brain to come in and start looking for evidence. For us, we're looking for evidence in the, on the positive front. Not evidence that you suck, but evidence that you can use. And so we can, it's so it's, it's like the spiral up or the spiral doubt. We always have choice in the spiral effort or the spiral down. What am I looking for? What am I creating? What am I, you know,

Speaker: 32:30

I, uh, wrote down a couple of thoughts, uh, yeah. Along that, uh, snippet. And one is, um, on my Facebook, uh, is one of my favorite quotes from Henry Ford. The, uh, whether you think you can or think you cannot, you are correct. Right? That's right. You know, and it is such a hard thing sometimes to believe that you can do hard things. Um, but if you talk yourself into it, and it's not from affirmations. Yeah.'cause if you don't believe it, then it's not gonna work. You have to equip yourself to be able to, to do those. And sometimes it's small steps.

Speaker 2: 33:00

Yeah. And, and if I am telling myself I suck and I keep telling myself I suck. Right. The brain's gonna work on the brain is gonna work no matter what. That assumption, that's the underlying assumption.

Speaker 4: 33:09

I suck. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:11

And then the brain's actually gonna go find evidence to show you that you suck. Um, and so if we have a choice, like, you know, I always tell people, you know, if we're, if we're, if we're gonna create that, why not create choice? And choice is a very, um, expansive way that we can say, okay, I am I gonna choose to, to say this again? Or am I going to, or am I gonna make a different choice for this? Right. Yeah. We make about 30,000 choices a day. And so if you think about it, we make, like, if you think about it, just getting out the, uh, getting up in the morning, like, am I gonna snooze or am I not gonna snooze? Am I gonna take a shower? Not shower? Am I gonna have my hair up, my hair down? Am I wearing the pink one? The blue and the, the Yeah. This morning

Speaker: 33:44

I made a coffee with the Spanish coffee pot, which is one serving at a time rather than making a pot for everybody to share.'cause it's just, it's better, you know? I know, right? Like,

Speaker 2: 33:51

but you, we make many choices. But some days I just want the easy buttons where

Speaker: 33:53

I can just dump the pot in the cup, you know, I'm done.

Speaker 2: 33:55

We make so many choices and so what are we choosing? Because, and just being more conscious, I think that we've been trained and ingrained to be, um, I think the biggest takeaway that I have realized, and maybe this is like Life, life lesson number 682, is that we've been trained and ingrained to. Be addicted to the hustle. Yeah. Especially in our businesses, the hustle, the grind, the do this. And I actually

Speaker: 34:19

willing to react to circumstance, I think is the other big trip.

Speaker 2: 34:22

I and I this last couple years, I just went through this whole personal transformation myself of just like, what is, why was, why was I listening to that? You know, that story that it has to be hard or it has to be, and I love time collapsing now. So it's like in business, I stopped all networking events. Um, and then I'm like, oh my gosh. Like I have so much more opportunities now and I'm, I'm speaking more and I'm, I'm casting my net. I am, you know, and there's only like, I'm like, how do we work smarter, not harder? And how do we be more in the flow of things?

Speaker 4: 34:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:55

Than, and, and that's been my new story of like, wow, this is much, so much easier. But I was, so, I trained and great into the hustle mode, the do the, do more the, you know, like just become a slave to your business and work the 60, 70, 80 hours. And I'm like, what are we doing? Yeah. Right. Like, what are we doing? The

Speaker: 35:14

next thing I wanted to touch on, um, was I've heard tell that, um, in the entrepreneurial realm especially there's some entrepreneurs that are avoiders and some that are drawn to something meaning, and what I mean by that is some, some business owners. Or started a business to avoid working for that jerk, right. That they used to work for. Yeah. Yeah. Or like in your case, even to some extent, you were escaping

Speaker 4: 35:40

Yeah. A

Speaker: 35:41

circumstance where you didn't feel good about the integrity of the place where you were employed. Right. Right. Others are drawn to create something. Mm-hmm. And the speculation I have is that the practice that you started and built was really built on a foundation of avoiding. And you maybe didn't even, you were, you were, you were addicted to the hustle, so you built this Yeah. Seven figure firm. But even, maybe this is the big scary question, but do you think that that dissolution and, and even having those employees on the team that weren't really fitted or high integrity or fit with the role was some level of sabotage almost, because you were meant to not be focused on that, but to instead do something where you're creating Yeah. And drawn to the thing instead of avoiding the other thing. I don't dunno, I'm just speculating. I'm not a therapist, not licensed or insured.

Speaker 2: 36:39

I, so when I went, when I started into the company, I, I was, it was just a private practice. Just you. That's all, that's all I wanted to do. Yep. It was all I, that's all I wanted to do. And then I very quickly realized within one year, I'm like, I don't get vacation. Right. I don't get time off either

Speaker: 36:53

I don't get vacation or my clients don't get served for two weeks while I'm gone.

Speaker 2: 36:58

Right. And so, and I was like, well, this is not who, who did you tell me this? I at least being a partner. Yeah. Who didn't tell me this, you know. So then as soon as I was like, okay, I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I wanna be able to take time off. I'm gonna have, yeah. I, I had a, uh, our young, our daughter was a, a super young at the time, and I said, I gotta create this. I gotta grow this. And so that was the intention. So that was the draw. And growing it to draw was growing it too, so that I could create time freedom. Yeah. And so that I could have, so I could, I could take off and be with my family in time. Right. Sure. So then I grew it with part-time, and then we went to, um, part-time, um, part-time contractors, and then I went to full-time contractors, and then I started learning what I, you know, then I was like, okay. I wanted to create a team and company culture. Um, and so then I was like, oh, we need to have them as w twos. And so then I grew it to w twos and expanded it that way.'cause I wanted to focus on the company culture, um, which I like, I loved and was, it was funny, I was working with a coach one time and she's like, well, what are you doing for your company culture? I'm like, I did not get that memo. Oh my gosh. And I was like, oh my gosh, I am failing.'cause I didn't know what the com I didn't even know what company culture was. Just kidding. I mean, I kind knew you hadn't been addressing it, but you'd been building it anyway, it sounds like. But then I, I, I sat and I was a good student and I was like, I was telling, and I, and she comes back and I, I, I was doing 67 things for our, our, our staff and our company.'cause I'm a love language. My love language is gift giving. And, and so I, I built in all these fun things. I was like, I really wanna create a company that people love to come to because they spend so much time here. And so I did a lot of fun little secretive things and a lot of fun things. Yeah. Like we had things every quarter. We, okay,

Speaker: 38:31

so you were having fun when you were Oh my gosh, I

Speaker 2: 38:33

loved it so much. Growing. Oh my gosh, yes. 100%. I was in love.

Speaker: 38:36

And then the shark and the alligator and all that. All the stuff you came out there. It was,

Speaker 2: 38:39

yeah. But what happened was in 2019, I was at this conference and this, uh, uh, uh, is this group of women, um, and I was at this event and this lady comes over and she's like, uh, her name's Monica. And she's like, Terry. She's like, what's your biggest takeaway from this conference today? And I was like. I am Forrest Gump. She's like, what do you mean? It's like, you know, when he starts running in the movie and he starts running with passion and joy and he runs and runs and he actually starts creating people built community around him. Sure. Right. And he had people running with him and he just ran'cause he loved it. Right. And then at some point he like slows to a walk and he says, I'm done. Yep. I'm going home. And I said, I'm done. I'm going home. And so I was at peace in 2019. Um, I grieved it, so everything I did, I knew I was leaving it and I knew we were, were walking away from it. And so I grieved it for a whole year in silence. I wrote letters to it. I mean, it was my baby. Like it was, um,

Speaker: 39:37

this is pre COVID and everything, so. Oh

Speaker 2: 39:38

yeah. Like I was, I, I was, it was, um, a really hard, um, uh, um. Transition for me. And I had my, uh, my admin and my other, uh, office manager. Uh, my office manager ended up passing away. Uh,'cause she had, uh, pancreatic cancer. She was with us for eight years.

Speaker 4: 39:56

Mm-hmm. Sorry.

Speaker 2: 39:56

And I chose not to leave the business earlier than that because I loved my staff and I loved our company and I loved our culture. And I loved the, the admin team was like so tight. And so, and that's the only reason I chose not to leave it earlier. Um, but I know that I was, um, in 2019 I was done. Um, and that was after, you know, she had passed. And then I was like, okay, like it's ready. So I grieved it in silence and then 2020 came

Speaker: 40:26

no time to grieve. And I was

Speaker 2: 40:28

like, okay, I'm thrust, I'm thrusted back into this. Right. And then I had my other company growing and expanding and this company had been owner independent for about 10 years. Oh, wow. And so I was only in there, I was still there, but I was only working probably two hours a month in that company. Gotcha. And so grew that and I mean, um, it was really owner independent. And then the other talking with Terry was growing and expanding. And so I felt like a ninja because I had these two worlds. Yeah. Right. And um, and so, but at one point I realized that this was no longer giving me joy. Right. And the other one was giving me massive joy and I was feeling like. I understand the path and I understand why this happened, and I understand the, the evolution of it.'cause if you would've asked me 20 years ago, I would've said this would, the counseling practice would've been my end all be all

Speaker: 41:17

right.

Speaker 2: 41:18

Like, that was, and my, and my daughter was like, what kind of a dream

Speaker: 41:20

of an o owner independent business. You know, you just, you know, siping martinis and beaten bond bonds. Exactly. And going to exact beaches. That's exactly what it's, let's

Speaker 2: 41:28

just look Yeah. That's exactly what it was. No, I'm just kidding. But I, I, um, and I realized that it like was the evolution of me and I needed those experiences. And I, and I just, there's such gr gratitude in, in so many gifts that I, I received outta that. And then, um, going into what I am now, and like, I feel like this is my calling. Like this is a calling that I can, and I've tried to dig my heels in long and hard on these. And every time I'm like, and how many of you, like the listeners are that are like, oh my gosh, who do I give my resignation to? Like, who? Just like, who can I, who can, can I just quit? Right. Right. And this, and, and, and even with the talking with Terry, like I, there was moments where I was like, I'm not getting clarity. Like, what am I supposed to be doing?'cause I was like, what is, and, and it's, it's evolved and it's grown. And now I'm like, even last night, oh my gosh, it was so juicy because like, like I've been asking for more clarity and then it happened last night and I was like, huh?

Speaker: 42:25

Like during the show, like afterwards? Yeah. Or something like right before

Speaker 2: 42:28

the show, I had this awareness and it was like a minor tweak. A little minor tweak that we were gonna do. Yeah. And I did it and I was like, that is it. And I mean, I just, I felt it. Everyone felt it. And I had one of the ladies, one of our sponsors, she's been with me on this journey the whole time. And in the beginning we were doing it weekly, and then we went to bi-week or bi-monthly, and she was with me the whole time. And she's like, I see it. Like I just, I, and I was like, yes, it's here. And so it's been super exhausty. And so even just, even just yesterday, like, it just, um, just like this path of, this evolution of, and I know what in my heart of hearts, what I'm here to do. Yeah. Um, and like what my, my skillset is. And so I think all of the other stuff helped build me to this point. And now I'm ready to take on my calling. What an

Speaker: 43:13

interesting place, like, uh, even like describing who you are you a are a media personality? Are you an influencer? Are you a business success therapist? You know, you're kind of, who am I? All these things a little bit. Um, and, um, where do you go from here?

Speaker 2: 43:33

Mm-hmm.

Speaker: 43:34

Right? Or like, what's your, what's your YouTube subscriber follower account? Is it.

Speaker 2: 43:39

I mean, it's not crazy. It's not crazy. We're growing it. Yeah. Um, but I think what, some

Speaker: 43:44

thousands though. Yeah. And, but the syndication is gonna like, put you in front of some tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more watchers likely.

Speaker 2: 43:53

Yeah. Yeah. And, and because of this show right here, right. This, this is the magic. Yeah. This

Speaker: 43:57

is gonna be the lever to your success right here. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 44:00

1000%.

Speaker: 44:02

If I think it, no, that's not what, what does that mean? When, when I don't actually believe something that I say. Yeah. Right. Come on, let, let's do this.

Speaker 2: 44:09

Um, but I think, uh, so, um, well let me ask you this. Sure. Like what, what do you feel like your, like God-given gift is for this planet? Like what are you here? Like what are you, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you a little cheat sheet while you think about that. Okay. So probably about eight months ago, um, maybe nine, maybe nine months ago, I was in front of this spiritual group. And when we were up in the mountains and we had, uh, just went to the hot springs and we're like going to grab lunch. And when you're with spiritual people, like the question is not like, Hey, what are you doing this weekend? The question is like, what's your soul's purpose? And so this lady, her name's Ari, she's this just incredibly talented healer. And she's like, she went first and she's like, what? I am here to walk the earth and as I walk the earth, I am healing Mother Gaia. And I'm like, how do you follow that?

Speaker 3: 44:59

Right?

Speaker 2: 44:59

Seriously. And then the next person goes, and she says she uses her. She's an incredibly gifted, uh, singer. And, uh, she uses gong. And she's like, when people are in my presence and I sing and I, uh, use the gong, I actually change the vibration of their bodies and I heal their bodies. And now I'm freaking out. Okay. I have no idea what to say. It's the next person I am like, don't even listen to. Because I'm like, oh my gosh, what am I gonna say? That's gonna sound brilliant and amazing, right? And so it gets to me and I'm like, ah, I said, I, I said, I don't know. It's, it's using my energy, my creativity, like, and I, and I have a lot of humor. I use a lot of, you know, and, and combining it with talking. Yeah. So, and the lady next to me, she's like, because over the time I've had people come up to me, complete strangers. Even just recently, I had, I was at a, a restaurant and we were sitting, I don't know, like probably seven tables away from each other. And I was having a conversation with this lady. I get up and leave, I'm following the lady out, and this other late, this other table, I get close to the table and the, there was three women sitting at the table. There was a grandmother, mother and granddaughter.

Speaker 4: 46:06

Okay.

Speaker 2: 46:06

And the grandmother taps me on the arm and I think, okay, I must have dropped something, was my assumption. And she's like, Hey, ma'am. And I go, yes. And she goes, I just wanna let you know, I just love your energy. And over the years I've had people come up to me and like, I love your energy. I love your energy. I'm like, I'm like, great that my energy is my superpower.

Speaker 4: 46:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:25

So how do I use that? And I'm like, so I now, with the show, I've been activating people. Hmm. So I'll have sales calls and I'll, I'll be like, oh yeah, da da da. And then like, oh my gosh, that's brilliant. I have, and they'll, they'll get activated and then they'll like, go do it. And I'm like, fantastic. And so,

Speaker: 46:44

like, what do you mean you'll have sales calls? Like, like

Speaker 2: 46:46

I'll just, any type of call or a sales call or something like that, and someone's like, oh my gosh, thank you. Just, oh, like being in the, like you leave them,

Speaker: 46:53

uh, and they're like, and you found them? Yeah. And it's like, it's capacity. It's so funny.

Speaker 2: 46:56

And I was like, oh my gosh, I love this. And so I'm like, how do I leverage that? And so that's how I feel like I can leverage Yeah. The activation. So last night we did a whole bunch of fun things, but it's like, you know, and one-on-one coaching, uh, which I, I will, I can, I will still do, um, here and there. Yeah. Um, but it's one person at a time. Right, right. And I wanna be able to help thousands of people. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm like, how do we, if you can

Speaker: 47:22

raise an eyebrow and move somebody, yes. I'm

Speaker 2: 47:24

like, how do we, how do we activate within people? And right now energy's shift shifting significantly. And so I feel like people are becoming more aware and awake to what they're. God-given talents are. And so people are waking up to this like, Hey, I'm getting rid of this job because this JOB is no longer serving me. Yeah. And I hire like this higher knowing that I'm supposed to hear be here and do this. Right. And so there's massive people I've, I've experienced Yeah. Really questioning what they've been doing. Oh, sure. Or experiences like,

Speaker: 47:55

like every Gen Z

Speaker 2: 47:57

Yeah. Mean or just

Speaker: 47:57

about or whatever it is. Is that the current one? No, that's millennials. Millennial? No. They, or no, gen Z is Z Gen. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:03

Millennial. Yeah. Millennials. And then Gen ZI think. I think, I

Speaker: 48:06

mean they're like, they're kind of reprogramming what it means to be, um, a successful human. Yeah. In some ways.

Speaker 2: 48:13

And I used to be, in all fairness. Okay. No haters, please. Okay. In the, in the beginning, I, I didn't really understand. And then I understand their gift now. Their gift was like, we are, no, we are balking the system. Yeah. We are not gonna work 50, 60, 70 hours a week and get paid for 50, you know, or 40. Right. And I really, at first when I was a business owner, I was like, wait, what? Right. Um, but now I can see the gift in it and I'm like, good on them for bringing about this new awareness that says maybe we can work smarter, not harder. Yeah. And what if we can do these things? And I just, I feel like this, I mean, it's all beautiful. Well, a

Speaker: 48:47

lot of these boomers and Gen Xers have too big a houses anyway. They might as well have their kids move back in with them for 20 years. Right.

Speaker 2: 48:53

Exactly. Exactly. Sorry. But I feel like there's like, there's like this new, um. It's this new energy that's coming in that's really helping us really get clear Yeah. On what is important and what are we, what have we, we been sacrificing, what have we Yeah. Been, um, kind of like selling our souls for, you know, I've said in the past,

Speaker: 49:16

uh, my special talent is identifying special talent.

Speaker 2: 49:19

Yeah.

Speaker: 49:19

Um, and I don't know if that's necessarily true, although it definitely is something I I have an eye for talent. Yeah. Certainly. Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not that talented. So that's, that's my talent. And then also I think, and I was just reflecting as you, as you were chatting, that in some ways my superpower is a little bit like chat GPTs, like my Love it. Unending curiosity about every topic. Yes. And that's why I love the podcast. That's why I love business and research and travel and adventure. Love. It is, I just want to aggregate. Well, yes. And like, I cannot be nearly as good at it as chat. GPT Orrock is, you know, I'm just a human. And so I wonder, I've, I've, I was reflecting to myself if, if my superpower has been like superseded by the existence of these. Scouring enterprises never. But what they don't have is never is creativity. Yeah. I'm also a very creative person, I believe, and a pretty funny guy if I do say so myself. Yeah. Um, but yeah. Anyway, that was, that was my quick musing as, as we were chatting is, is my superpower, you know, still relevant, still useful in the world today?

Speaker 2: 50:29

I, I believe so. And I, one of the things that, um, AI will never be able to take out is the human experience. Right? Sure. And, um, our ability to think the way that humans think, right. That's never gonna be replaced. Yeah. Um, I don't believe, and, um, like, and we know for sure that it can't replace a soul, right? It can't replace the soul that's, that's embodied in us. Right. And I think, I think here's my, where I live at, right? Like, I'm like, okay, AI is gonna come in, the robots are gonna take away all the human things that humans hate to do, and then we get to live in, it's like, you know,

Speaker 3: 51:08

utopia,

Speaker 2: 51:08

utopia with eating bomb bombs on beaches. Right, right, right. Like, that's, that's what I see. But, but I also think that, um, except for there's

Speaker: 51:16

no tax base left, so I know Right. Shit's gonna hit the fan. Um,

Speaker 2: 51:20

well, I, I started channeling about, um, well since March of this, this year, so however long that's been, and, um. And I, this is

Speaker: 51:30

like psychic medium kind of stuff going on. Are we talking about when you say channeling? When

Speaker 2: 51:33

I channel like you're channeling your higher self.

Speaker: 51:36

Okay.

Speaker 2: 51:36

And I'm telling you, like it was, I had such blocks about getting, you know, getting there and I had a good friend of mine and she's like, she's uber talented and channels and channels, galactic beings and all, all sorts of wild things. And I said, can you help? And like, I'm like, unblocked. So she came in and helped me, unblock me.

Speaker 3: 51:55

Okay.

Speaker 2: 51:56

And then I was, and she's like, okay, now we're gonna do this. And I'm like, Hmm, okay. So I start, I started doing automatic writing. And so automatic writing, I've heard of it a little

Speaker 4: 52:03

bit.

Speaker 2: 52:03

It's like you're channeling your higher self. So you do have to get yourself into the mindset and Yeah. Into the energy of it. And

Speaker: 52:10

do you have to take mushrooms or anything? No. Like, oh, just curious. I dunno.

Speaker 2: 52:16

You just get

Speaker: 52:17

yourself, that meditation and stuff is really hard. Sometimes you can just hit the easy button. Right? Drop a Exactly. A handful of mushrooms.

Speaker 2: 52:23

Exactly. I suppose. I mean, I don't know, like, I mean maybe, um, but anyway, you, you, you know, there's a process that I go through and I get into my, you know, get everything on, on, on, uh, on board as far as like my heart, my, my, all the things kind of aligned, if you will. And so there's like a five minute like exercise that I go through to get clear on that. And then I started to accessing the higher self. And I mean, it's gave me such clarity and I can tell it's not me because it's things I would never say. It's when I read it back. And so when you're, when I'm in the moment writing it, and at the beginning I had to like close my eyes. I couldn't. Because if I opened my eyes, I would disconnect from it. Yeah. And then over the time, and I was, I was like, oh my gosh. Like this is like your own personal Chad, GBT that knows everything about you. And it's like so juicy. And it was so amazing. And so I, I, I started and I started writing about all like the, the dark night of the soul, like getting quashed and like awareness to it. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, it was so helpful and, and like understanding why it happened and the way it did. And I was like, oh, I mean, like you can't make this stuff up. And I went, I have gone through probably seven journals, um, in this last, you know, nine months. Wow. And just getting clarity and it's, it's pretty wild. But I think as humans evolve, we're gonna go and figure out how to tap into that more often. And so not relying on chat GBT external ai. Yeah. Because as humans we still have this human experience. Yeah. And I think, um, I know that when I was doing my personal journey and my personal growth journey, I always looked for other people outside of me. For the answers. Right. I looked for this therapist, I looked for this, this person I looked in for, the LinkedIn person I looked in for this, I looked for this personal development coach over here. And this like looking for answers. Sure. Gurus and I and I, I pretty much have done, like, I've had my hand written, I, uh, read, I've had my, you know, chakras clear. Yeah. What are the lifelines checked? I, I've had like, I mean my birth chart, like all the things, right? Like I've done all it.'cause I'm just, I'm a curious person too, and I'm just like, I'm super curious about life. And I'm like, I'm like, I have like a 4-year-old brain. I'm like, why? Why? Tell me. Yeah. And so, um, but once I got into that place where I'm connecting with my higher self, I now know all the answers are within me. Right? Hmm. And I have, there's such clarity and peace.

Speaker: 54:51

All the answers for you are within you or, or all the answers for ev of everything. Of, of me. Of you, of me, of you. Of me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm understanding yourself is within you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I get it. Okay. But

Speaker 2: 55:00

I can now make choices in business. I can make choices in life. I can understand if something happened, like, I'll give you an example. I had this lady and we, we were friends, good friends. And then about six months ago, like, she just like, like cut the relationship in a very abrupt kind of like, I'm gonna say like I felt a little disrespectful way.

Speaker 4: 55:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 55:21

And I was kind of hurt about it. And I was like, but like, what happened? And so then I went back in and I started writing about it, channeling about it. It gave me such clarity as to why that had to happen the way it did.

Speaker 3: 55:35

Okay.

Speaker 2: 55:35

And I was like, oh my gosh. And so her and I reached up, we, we reached out back each, or talked to her, reconnected, whatever, reconnected just recently. And I told her, I was like, I wanna read this to you. I went back in, I was like, it was like months ago. And I went back and I read it to her and she's just like, wow. She's like, I'm so glad that you got it.'cause she's like, I knew I had to like do something really sudden.

Speaker 4: 55:56

Hmm.

Speaker 2: 55:56

So that, and I was like, because we had a good relationship, but I was also relying on her for also like my, also my spiritual development. Okay. And I was relying on her a little too much. Yeah. For insights instead of trusting myself. Yeah. Because I would, I would get something and I was like, well, is this true? So forced

Speaker: 56:13

you kind of to, to examine for yourself. Oh my gosh. It was

Speaker 2: 56:16

like, yes. And I, and I was like, oh my gosh, I have, I have got to start to trust.'cause what do I was doing was like, I would get something and I was like, and I'd run to her and I'd ask her, I'm like, well, is this, do you think, do you get a hit on this? Do you, do you read this?'cause I wasn't trusting myself. Yeah. And my understanding of myself. And so, and when that happened I was like, okay. And now it's such a beautiful thing because now I have this tool within me. That I can have such clarity for myself. And so if there's something that's going on wackadoo, I'm like, okay, let me just tune into this. Yeah. And understand it from a, a bigger level. Yeah. If that makes sense. I think

Speaker: 56:50

so.

Speaker 2: 56:51

And I'm new to this, so like some of you guys, there're still exploring. I'm still exploring, like, I'm like, I just got my baby. I got my little swimmers. That's, uh,

Speaker: 56:58

so talk to me about, like, I hear you talking using words like, like soul and consciousness and different things, but, um, you're a Midwestern girl, so you were probably either a Lutheran or a Catholic back in the day or something. Do you have a, a, a faith background? Does you conception of the world conflict with that? Have you left that behind? Yeah. Talk to me about that.

Speaker 2: 57:21

So I, when I grew up, my parents weren't huge into the church. Okay. I, my grandparents and my, my dad were more, they, we were Lutheran and then we went to, but nominal kind of,

Speaker: 57:31

if you will.

Speaker 2: 57:32

And then, um, and then over the years, like I, I think I became more spiritual.

Speaker 4: 57:37

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 57:37

Um, and so, um, and then working with clients, I, I, I've seen clients from all sorts of backgrounds. Sure. And so I've, I'm inclusive in letting whoever, you know.

Speaker 4: 57:48

Sure.

Speaker 2: 57:48

Um, I do believe I'm Christian and I believe in God. And, um, so I bring that peace into it.

Speaker 4: 57:53

Okay.

Speaker 2: 57:54

Um, but I also bring into the energetics of it and like, you know, what serves, you know, all of us. Right. Right. And so, um. Yeah. I, I, yeah. Not to put you on the spot, I was No, no. I was just kind of curious how you Yeah. So IED it all reconcile

Speaker: 58:06

that like, like, definitely like the Secret Book, for example, is something that's definitely in, in contention with, um, a fair bit of scripture Yeah. And stuff. And like, I was even gonna challenge you on that. Yeah. Like, everything I need to know about me is within me kind of, well, like, I think, but what I've

Speaker 2: 58:25

been able to access, right. Fair. Like what have I've been able to access is instead of going outside

Speaker 3: 58:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 58:31

Of me, of going like, I need to go to this person. Right. I'm either going to God source and self. Yeah. Right. That's fair. And not going out to other people, and I should that. Well, I think those thoughts like the, the unexamined life,

Speaker: 58:44

right? Like, if you examine yourself with intention, you'll discover much. Right. And even though it's not a, I think sometimes,

Speaker 2: 58:51

like we were, I was, I was trained to be like, okay, well if I don't have the answers, I need to go outside myself for the answers. Find somebody that does Yeah, yeah, yeah. And instead of going in, and there's still gonna be times that I, I still, I'm always gonna have a coach. I'm always gonna have a mentor. I'm always gonna have, right. Yeah. You know, that has walked the walk with me. But meaning like really getting to that place of just clarity within myself of like, you know, going within and you can, when I channel, I call in God spirit. Angels that are here to help support me

Speaker 4: 59:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 59:23

And guide me. Right. Fair. And so I only, I put a, I put a white light around me and let the, the vibration of love and light to come through.

Speaker: 59:31

Well, I think that's where that element of, um, like, people resist people, whether they're fighting, working their way through trauma or trying to save their marriage, or not really trying to save their marriage, or like, they'll resist if they don't really want to, you know, people kind of do what they actually want to do. Um, and so if you can help them want to do the things that are good for them, or you want to do the things that are good for you, that are aligned with your, your energy that feed you, um, and believing that you can indeed do them. Yeah. Right. It's kind of that believing is a, is a bit of a combination of want and, and something beyond belief. Something different than belief. But, uh, I guess it is just ultimately belief, like mm-hmm. You gotta want it and believe it can be true in some ways to really pursue,

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

yeah. And I always, I always looked for the evidence, right. So it, the, the staying, the saying is, you gotta believe it before you see it.

Speaker 3: 1:00:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:35

And I think we wanna see it before we believe it.

Speaker 3: 1:00:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:38

And so that's been a big one for me is like, we've gotta be like, you've, like, um, walking in faith. Yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a great, uh, uh. Oh my goodness. It's called, uh, upward. I think it was called Upward Bound Or Upward. It was a movie. Okay. It was character. And there's a scene in it. You guys can Google this. And, and it's, um, he's walking across Now, of course, he has a magic wand and he's like casting spells and stuff like that, but he, it's a, it's a cartoon. It's a pixel or movie or whatever. Okay. And so he is walking across this bridge, and when the bridge is, the Draw bridge is on the other side. Okay. And they can't get the broad draw bridge. It's open down. Yeah. Yeah. So it's open. And so he like casts a spell and he says, okay, now you can walk across this and you have to, but you just have to believe. You have to believe you. Sure. So he, at first he was like, there's no way. So he like, takes a step and he like, falls. Yeah. Yeah. And he like, catches himself. And then he's like, he's like, you gotta believe, you gotta believe. It's such a powerful little segment. And so then he's like, okay, so starts, well it's really

Speaker: 1:01:40

Jesus and the disciples in the boat. Right.

Speaker 2: 1:01:42

Right. And so he starts to walk, he starts to walk across, and he's like, at first, not sure, but he's believing that he can do it. And then he's walking successfully. Well, the rope around him starts to loosen and it falls off. And he yells back, you still got me right. And he's, and the friend's like, yep.

Speaker 4: 1:02:01

As he's doing a whole rope in his

Speaker 2: 1:02:03

hand. And then he starts to get a little cocky and he starts to like do, he's like doing these dance moves, you know, and then he gets to the very, very end. He looks back. Yeah. And he realizes like

Speaker: 1:02:14

Wiley Coyote,

Speaker 2: 1:02:16

there's no rope

Speaker: 1:02:17

ran off the cliff.

Speaker 2: 1:02:18

There's no rope. And there's like, and so he like, he's like, ah. And he like loses his faith. Yeah. He loses his belief. Yeah. And then, but thankfully he was close enough to the, to the, uh, cliff that he was able to reach on. Right. And I just, and I, for, I think there's a lot of people right now just that are walking this faith of this blind faith of, uh, of what is happening on the planet. Right. Because there's like, I, I've said this before that I think all systems have to come down in order for new growth to happen. Right. And so it feels very case, I mean,$37

Speaker: 1:02:50

trillion debt ball is, uh, potentially sufficient to wreck a system.

Speaker 2: 1:02:56

I mean, all of it. Right? Right. Not even just that like Right. Like all, all systems. Well, it wouldn't just be our

Speaker: 1:02:59

systems that wrecked. Yeah. I would've wreck a lot of systems. All systems, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thankfully we've got a lot of nice roads and houses and stuff to rebuild upon.

Speaker 2: 1:03:06

Right.

Speaker: 1:03:07

Not in Colorado so much. Uh, the roads part. I was, I was gonna say,

Speaker 2: 1:03:10

I was gonna say, where are you at?

Speaker: 1:03:12

We just came back from Orange County. We spent a few days in Oh my goodness. Yeah. In Cabo and then in Orange County. And the freaking highway system in California is so amazing. Yeah. Like. Even the,

Speaker 2: 1:03:26

well, especially in Orange County, well, let's be real, but I mean, it's like, it's not all of California, like that racetrack between all these

Speaker: 1:03:32

little towns, mission Viejo and San Clemente and stuff. But even in la the roads are in really good shape for being not far from the ocean. You know, there's seven lanes wide and mostly not too many potholes. Um, pretty remarkable.

Speaker 4: 1:03:46

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:03:47

Um, and then here we got, you know, a two and a half lane highway coming from our largest city to our third largest city. Uh, that's how it goes. That's how it is.

Speaker 2: 1:03:55

But I do think that like the, as we are evolving, I do think the systems have to come down. And so that's what we're kind of witnessing. And as, as people are seeing this and experiencing this, like, I think that people are tapping back into their, like their infinite knowing and their infinite, um, connection to, um, their higher selves, their source, their, um, higher power in order for them to be like, okay, this is my path forward.

Speaker: 1:04:22

What do you think we're evolving to become?

Speaker 2: 1:04:25

I hope half ninja and half mermaids. I dunno where the mermaid utility would come in. I know, I'm just kidding. I joke that I'm always half mer. I, I always tell people, when people ask me like, what, who are you? What are you doing? And I'm like, I'm half ninja, half New Mermaid because I love the water. But, um, yeah, I don't know. Like, I think that, um.

Speaker: 1:04:44

Some speculate that we're kind of birthing a, a digital or a hybrid species. I hope that's, that will be like integrated with computers so we can you wear newer links or be born with them or something.

Speaker 2: 1:04:56

That terrifies me. Actually,

Speaker: 1:04:58

I've also have you listened to, to the telepathy types.

Speaker 2: 1:05:02

Huh?

Speaker: 1:05:03

They're pretty fascinating. It's a podcast series that examines autistic children's ability to communicate. Oh yes. Not just in from one room to the other, but also like to go and meet on the hill with other autistic kids from Florida and Tennessee and Ohio and Montana and like, have a spiritual conscious conversational connection with other nonverbal artists or autistics. I, I,

Speaker 2: 1:05:32

I, I've heard, I haven't watched that, but I've heard that like autistic children are coming in to teach us. They're like, um, there's so many gifts that they have to teach us. Yeah. Um, and I, I wouldn't like, I would agree with that 100%. Yeah. When

Speaker: 1:05:45

you have a road trip sometime throw that series on. There's probably, there's like the, the first real juicy stuff is maybe 15, 30 minute episodes or something. So it's quite time consuming, but it's really investigative reporting.

Speaker 2: 1:05:57

Love it.

Speaker: 1:05:58

Of all these, like, can't believe this story. It, you can't really test for it properly, but here's the evidence that we. Found that this kid can literally read his mother's mind and mark the number that his mom is thinking about in the next room over, or other things. Much more complex than that. Yeah. And I wonder, is that a, is that a latent, um, consciousness that is reemerging in that population because of whatever factors? Or is that a, an evolutionary, like imagine if you and I didn't have to use our mouth flaps, I mean, to communicate, if we could just be like, I could tell you jokes and you'd be all of a sudden laughing for no reason. People are like, ah, why is she laughing? Oh.'cause he ized or made her laugh again.

Speaker 2: 1:06:44

But we all have the capacity to do that now. Yeah. To do telepathy, right? I don't know. My daughter, my daughter was a, it was interesting, like a couple. So, um, years ago, my, um, my, well, my, I've had such amazing experiences with my daughter. Like I, she's here to train me and, and like open up to like, wow possibilities. And, uh, when she was younger, um, she would tell me the most interesting things. Okay. And, uh, she would wanna come over and hold me and rock me. And she would say, um, she would rock me and she'd say, I remember when, I remember when, and so, and further, like, you know, having people explain some stuff when I, so according to this lady that I was her mom in three lifetimes. I was her mom the first lifetime in this lifetime. And there's been some interesting stories when she was younger, like up until at age six, that she would say, and I would document them and write it down because like they're the craziest stories. Yeah. And so, um, for kids that are really, really closer to the source, you can just ask them, you know, open questions or especially when they start to doze off to sleeve. Yeah. Really fascinating stuff. But one time, um, she was, um, we, oh, uh, um, I remember what it was. Um, but I've, well I've had so many different experiences. Yeah. Maybe a personal life, different experiences. Um, one of the experiences I had was, um, with her, she, um, our dog had passed away like six months prior. Okay. And she was only two and a half when he passed. Okay. Or, sorry. Yeah. She was two and a half when he passed. She was three when this happened. Okay. And, um. She had a seizure. Um, she was down with me. She had a fever seizure, which is just from a fever, which apparently kids have'em all the time. Wow. But it's very scary. It's good to help a mom. Yeah. Yeah. Terrifying as a mom. And she was laying there having this seizure and I'm like, what is happening? Right. And then so we, we called the ambulance and they took her in and it was funny'cause like they showed up and they're like, well, what's going on? And I'm like, you know, she has a, she had a, she was sick and we had her on medicine. And, and uh, they're like, oh, this is, this is a fever seizure. And I'm like, oh, okay. Well it sounded like I was just calling'cause she like scraped her knee out. Yeah. It was terrifying. What do we do about it? Yeah. Anyway, so they just, it was fine. Um, but the next morning she woke up and she's like, um, she goes, where's Sophia? Hmm? And I said, what do you mean? And she said, well, Sophia was here and that was her dog's name. Mm-hmm. And so at two and a half, she doesn't have any like cellular, she has cellular memory, but she didn't actually have physical memory. Her memory didn't come in until one H three. And we, we know the day that it happened.'cause I was like, oh, she has memory. Um, but it was really fascinating. And she had, uh, so she had an experience that she goes, well, Sophia was on her chest and she wanted to, and she's like, well mom, she wanted me to tell you that she's okay. Because I was devastated when our dog died. Well,'cause all dogs go to heaven, so I know, right? Of course. And, uh, but she's like, she smiled and said she was okay. And I was like, oh my god. You know? Um, and she's three years old, right? And she had, um, some different experiences. We had another experience where she was having all these headaches and, um, I was seeing this energy doctor actually up in Greeley, and I said, well, I'm gonna go see the Synergy doctor. And I said, can you just tell me what your headaches are like so I can tell him? And she goes, ah, they're just, she's like, you talk too much on the phone. And I go, what do you mean? She goes, she was at school and she was hearing every one of my conversations.

Speaker: 1:10:11

Oh.

Speaker 2: 1:10:12

And so we're like 15 miles away from each other. She was

Speaker: 1:10:14

like distracting her and annoying her ability to listen at school. And she says

Speaker 2: 1:10:18

to me, she's like, mom, you talked to this person and you talk. And she knew the conversations. Huh. Wow. Even though we're like, and so the tele going back to the telepathy. Like, I've had some, that's why, you know,

Speaker: 1:10:27

that's real.

Speaker 2: 1:10:28

Yeah. And it was like, I was like, there's no, there's no way she could know it. She's in school, I'm in, you know, I'm 30, I'm 30 miles away, or 30 minutes away from her. So, anyways, it was really fast. I have

Speaker: 1:10:38

to, uh, I have to tap out because I'm, I have to pee. So we're gonna take a short break. And we are back. We jumped off, uh, speculating about the evolution of humans. Uh, right. The opportunities to, it'll really decrease, um, probably would decrease social media a lot and stuff. If we could just tele empathize with everybody we wanted to. I,

Speaker 2: 1:11:50

I think social media's gonna go away.

Speaker: 1:11:52

You think so?

Speaker 2: 1:11:52

I think so. How so? I just, I just don't think it's, it just won't be worthwhile

Speaker: 1:11:56

in the long run. Mm-hmm. Well, it certainly hasn't, it's nefarious created a social Well, it's, I think, I

Speaker 2: 1:12:02

feel like, um, have you ever watched that social experiment? Yeah, I think that like it talks about, oh, the social dilemma. Oh, the social dilemma, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:12:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:12:09

Like, I do think it, like, has like, and you know, it's been interesting because over, you know, I was growing my social media and then about a year ago, maybe not quite a year ago, I got hacked and I lost, like all my accounts on Facebook. I had five accounts. Okay. So I had a two business. A personal and then two groups gone overnight, done, can't get'em back, really done. And I just, and I would've normally, I would've been devastated by that and I was like, almost like at peace.

Speaker: 1:12:38

Yeah. Thank God I don't have to mess with that anymore. So

Speaker 2: 1:12:41

I still have an account, but I think I have like maybe Interesting. Yeah. It's naturally grown. Yeah. But like, I don't, I'm not focusing on it just because I'm my, so if people

Speaker: 1:12:49

wanna check out your stuff, do they go like to the YouTube? YouTube to YouTube or website? They can go to my website. To your website

Speaker 2: 1:12:54

Website. Talking with Terry? Yeah. Talking with terry.com. That's TER i.com. Uh, they can go to my website. I do, I am on social, um, Instagram, YouTube. Yeah. Um, I am on Facebook with like my five friends. I'm just kidding. That's fair.

Speaker: 1:13:07

But it's not, it's not a focus. It's not your driver anymore. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. So yeah. Well, I hope so. I would say honestly, because it has like, until they start working on algorithms that allow people to hear stuff that doesn't, um, like make them crazier Yeah. And more isolated from each other. Yeah. Um, it's certainly been a observable fact that, you know, with the Charlie Kirk assassination is a good example. Yeah. Like people either thought he was a hero and a martyr, or they thought he was a right wing fascist. Racist. Very decisive.

Speaker 2: 1:13:44

Yeah, very decisive. Right? Based on their algorithms for the most part. Yeah, it's absolutely, like, it's terrifying. Especially when it comes to like, you know, um, politics or like high, you know, like, it's just, it's amazing. Like what social media like directs you into or whatnot, or Totally. They were showing one time I was looking at this, um, um, one page and they said, if you're this party, you're gonna see it this way. And if you're this party, you're gonna see it this way. And I was like, wow. And as soon as I seen that, I was like, whoa. Yeah,

Speaker 3: 1:14:12

no, that's, uh,

Speaker 2: 1:14:13

but it directs you into one. Like, I don't know. Yeah. I just, I feel like if we could go back to no judgment, discernment, right. And love, like we could cure the planet.

Speaker: 1:14:27

Yeah. I mean those, that would go quite a ways. I mean, discernment is the hard part, right? Like

Speaker 2: 1:14:32

discernment. Yeah. Like,'cause what is so I,

Speaker: 1:14:35

well, Solomon asked for discernment, uh, and then he still decided he needed a thousand or 300 wives and a thousand concubines. That's true. And he only had three kids. That's true. Like, that's the worst, that's the most pathetic. Uh, like if you got 300 wives and a thousand combines and con concubines and you only ended up with three, or maybe it was seven kids or something. Come on, dude. Yeah. Or maybe they shouldn't. I dunno. But I

Speaker 2: 1:14:56

just think that I've, I don't know. I just, I think that, um, you know, in, in my company and what I've, I've, I've always kind of just like followed the energy in certain things. Yeah. And like. You know, getting to the place where you can say yes to what means yes and no to what means no. And just being kind and sending love and like, I don't know, I just, I think there's a, there's a place for, um, using discernment in this and like, you're receiving information and then without jumping to conclusions or outcomes of it, of just saying, okay.'cause I love to see, uh, plant seeds with people

Speaker 4: 1:15:31

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:15:31

Of just like planting seeds of, you know, maybe they're in a, in a funk or just planting a seed and being like, oh, I'm cur and like coming from a place of curiosity of like, you know, what would this look like or what would this, and then like having them do their work right. And having their, do their research or whatever it is. Um, just even like switching a perspective right? And coming from a place of love and kindness. Mm-hmm. Uh, just'cause I just think there's so much like. Just hate, like unnecessary hate, just because we can't like be like, okay, you, you can have an opinion and I can have an opinion. And we don't have to agree with all those on those opinions. I'm sure

Speaker: 1:16:08

we wouldn't on everything, you know, like just, but like,

Speaker 2: 1:16:10

but like, okay. I, I value your opinion.'cause you have Yeah. You have, you have mad talent and you are a great human being and you're gonna see things as differently in my experience because we all have, like, I, I joke that we have all these, um, um, invisible goggles on

Speaker 3: 1:16:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:16:24

And your visible goggles. I can't see them and you can't see mine and mine are gonna say this and yours is gonna say that. Right? Yeah. And just being in a place of like love and kindness. And I think if we can come to the table and, I mean, you have a create, you created a think tank, right? And what you're doing, like the master behind, I mean the, the brilliance behind it is like you bringing all these people's different ideas in

Speaker 4: 1:16:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:16:45

And then deciphering to be like, oh, that makes sense, or that makes, or that's brilliant because you know more. Yeah. I'm not even the

Speaker: 1:16:51

decider of that. I am just the, the talent spotter. Yeah. Really. Exactly. Right. And I think

Speaker 2: 1:16:56

that's brilliant to like be able to brilliant. Bring in all these and like, and that's the brilliance of having different opinions and different experiences and different, and how do we leverage that? So I think that's your superpower is leveraging people's differences. But being in, in doing it in a way that out of all of that comes greater good. Mm. Right? Isn't that juicy? Like, that's like you're pulling, I mean there's into like, there's like, but like that's all. But that's a, that's building a community that's building, well,

Speaker: 1:17:24

that's what like our government should be about. Like the, the, the parliamentary system that Great Britain kind of founded. There would be hours long actual debates where people would try to persuade each other over this issue or that. Yeah. And, you know, in our political system now it's like, you know, here's the, the Democratic platform and you best not deviate from it, or you won't be backed on the next reelection season and then you'll be out. And there really isn't any actual discussion.

Speaker 3: 1:17:59

Mm-hmm.

Speaker: 1:17:59

You know, there's pontificating and speeches and Yeah. Mostly looking for media clips to put out there on the social media and get your base even more hateful of the other side or whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:18:09

And how much of that is real, right. Like, how much of that has been talked and how much of that been? Well even, you know, even this,

Speaker: 1:18:14

uh, most recent, you know, the government shutdown and then the Democrats defecting, quote unquote defecting to get the, the shutdown finished. Well, really in, in my perception, it was we, we had our election issue that we wanted. We got the results that we wanted from the election. We don't have any leverage to actually force this.

Speaker 4: 1:18:38

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:18:39

Nor do the Republicans wanna set of precedence for giving the terrorists

Speaker 4: 1:18:43

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:18:43

Under a hostage situation.

Speaker 4: 1:18:45

Right.

Speaker: 1:18:46

And so, okay, now you can, Schumer was like, okay. You other nine senators, you can go ahead and vote. I'm gonna stay, you know, good with my base here and Yeah. And not, and really protest, but, you know, ultimately the party is saying it's time to move on.

Speaker 2: 1:19:02

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:19:02

At least that's my perception. I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:19:04

You know, I did not get in the weeds of that one, and I was just like, you know what, I'm just gonna hold space over there. Like, I, I stopped. They're all fuckers for me. You, I,

Speaker: 1:19:11

you know, I've not trying to make anybody seem like the good guys. I stopped watching.

Speaker 2: 1:19:14

Uh, I, I stopped watching tv, gosh. Um, probably like 26 years ago. Oh, wow. Um, yeah. My husband and I, we had a TV in our bedroom and I was, we were getting ready to go to bed. No Netflix,

Speaker: 1:19:25

no movies, nothing.

Speaker 2: 1:19:26

Uh, we do have a TV in our room still. And we do, we, the intention, the, the compromise was to watch movies, but we still don't, we don't even watch movies. We don't even turn it on. So I was like, we should just like, take it down'cause we never use it. Um, but I was, it was years ago, and I, um, we would work with, in the counseling world, we would work with like high profile cases. We would work with either on the media or hyper profile individuals, da da. And sometimes these people would be on media. And, um, I was get, we were getting ready to bed, go to bed one night, and it's like 10 o'clock and he's watching the 10 o'clock news and all of a sudden my client comes on the, because I was like, ugh. I was like, oh my gosh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Can't watch this. And I was like, out, and so I just was like, no more news. So I stopped watching news then. And, you know, I, I, um, I, I lost 10 pounds of negativity too.

Speaker: 1:20:11

That's good. That's good. What would you want people to know about like, without. Getting deep into study as you have and without, you know, hiring you as their coach or, or whatever. Um, what do you want people to know about like that energy element? And can they, can, can they help to harness their own energy? Do they, do they need to talk it through with people? Like what are the practical things that people can do to limit those limiting beliefs to, what were the other four? Yeah. Uh, self-sabotage was one. Self sabotage, the

Speaker 2: 1:20:45

limiting beliefs, the, the fear, the doubt, the um, and then the imposter syndrome. And there's obviously other ones, but those are kind of the big, the big ones that I've worked with in the past. And, um, you know, so I would say this, like, I think if we just took some time to get quiet with ourselves mm-hmm. And just give ourselves some space, I think we would be able to have some more awareness around ourselves. But we have been so trained and ingrained to like be in the hustle and the bustle and do the data people of action.

Speaker 4: 1:21:17

Right.

Speaker 2: 1:21:17

And like, we are just like GSD, you know, get shit done. Right. And, and we don't even take time to like. Be present with ourselves.

Speaker: 1:21:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if we could just go a hundred miles an hour, but I don't know where I'm going. If we could just create some space.

Speaker 2: 1:21:29

Right. Like, um, if I don't get up in the morning and I, if I don't do my morning, my morning practice, which is like, I go out and I, you know, I, I, I, I put my feet in the earth and I, I sit and I meditate. I, I sit with my, and I get, I get me on track first. Mm-hmm. I can't do, I can't be, you know, a great employee or a great, a ninja mermaid mom or a ninja mermaid for crying out loud if I haven't taken time for me. Right. And just really getting centered on that. And so, and it doesn't have to take long. Like it can be five minutes, just give yourself five minutes to go into a place of quiet or, um. Tapping into that and just, I, I just love helping people, like putting their hand on their heart and then just asking the question, um, you know, what am I here to do? Like, what, and follow more of that. Mm-hmm. And also allowing ourselves to find more things that bring us joy. It's more about

Speaker: 1:22:23

listening than talking to yourself in some ways. Yeah. And I

Speaker 2: 1:22:26

think, yes. I mean, we're all our worst critic when it comes to like self-sabotage and the limiting beliefs and things like that. Sure. And so, yes. Do you need to have someone help you, support you to help you get back on the track? I love getting people like, on the track. Yeah. Because maybe they didn't even know that there was a track. And I was like, Hey, here's the track. And then once I get'em on the track, I tell'em, now you fire me. And now you get to go and do your own. Right. Find yourself off track again. Exactly. Let's talk. Exactly. Exactly. But finding people. And so I love helping people get onto the track and then it says, okay here, so. I do a lot of work with clearing the blocks that hold us back and then giving them the tools to do it themselves. So I always tell people, I hope I'm the last coach you ever have to use because I'm going to teach you the ninja secrets. I'm gonna teach you how to do it yourself so that you can do it from now on.

Speaker 4: 1:23:10

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:23:11

And so,'cause I'm like, I'm on this, I'm, I feel like I'm here to help raise a collective consciousness. And so if you are doing your zone of genius and you're like loving it Yeah. And you're like pouring into people and you're building community and you're doing this, and this person's doing this and this person, and we're all having this ripple effect. Oh,

Speaker: 1:23:27

right.

Speaker 2: 1:23:27

Right. Like, I wanna go activate the people. I mean, that's what

Speaker: 1:23:29

the economy is.

Speaker 2: 1:23:31

Yes. Right? Like the economy

Speaker: 1:23:32

isn't like this big outside thing. It's the, the aggregated sum of all the stuff that people do. And so if you spend your time doing beneficial things for humanity,

Speaker 2: 1:23:41

there you go.

Speaker: 1:23:42

Even if you can't measure it on the gdp. Yes,

Speaker 2: 1:23:44

yes.

Speaker: 1:23:44

Uh, it will create a better world.

Speaker 2: 1:23:47

And so if I can go help activate, you know, the ones that are ready to like, um, I love, um, in our, um, VIP days, I, I help people write their signature talks so that they can go and spread their message further faster.

Speaker 4: 1:23:59

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 1:23:59

So that we can be in front of. 50 people, 500 people, 5,000 people, 5 million people, whatever that looks like. Yeah. Yeah. And if I can help them tap into that and they know what they're called to do mm-hmm. And then they're aligned with that, and then they go and help other people and they go help other people, da da da da da. It doesn't take long

Speaker 4: 1:24:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:24:17

For that to really help. Right. And so I would love to have one-on-one clients forever and ever, but I know that I got, I got work to do. And so if I can help you and then you learn it, and then you can go teach people, I actually tell people, I want you to go teach this to someone tonight.'cause I come for that place of abundance. And I'm like, there's so much out there. And so, but if I have them teach it to somebody else, yeah. They will Now it, it rewires their brain because when you're teaching it, you have to embody it. And so if I have them go teach it, then they're like, they have to like fully brainwise embody it. And so then they can start creating that. So, um, I love like that place of like helping people get outta the scarcity because we've been, once the pandemic happened, like it was like almost like a, a blanket of fear went over our planet for many. Yeah. And a lot of people have not stepped out of that. Right. And so for sure it's like, you know, re-looking at how we are doing life and. It starts with like, what am I here to do? What am I, what brings me joy and doing more of that. And I'm really disrupting the way we've done work. And so for me, I love going and talking like I could talk forever, right? And so it's a, it's an activator for me, right? And so instead of going and like, um, I'll go sometimes to a coffee shop and just meet random people because it's an activated for me. Okay. And so then I will ask for my business to grow as I'm doing that. And then I will have people call me. I will have like, like I will pull in business in a different way

Speaker 4: 1:25:51

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:25:51

Because I'm in a higher vibration. Mm. And so in a higher vibration, I can pull in opportunities that I wouldn't have been able to do, right? Like, does that make sense? So what you're doing? Yes. Like if you're in a high vibration, okay, if I'm in, so all of our emotions are on, um, I was

Speaker: 1:26:09

trying to think through how does that fit in with free will a little bit. Like, like if I'm at a higher vibration, I'm gonna pull you in. But do you have to decide to be drawn in or, well,

Speaker 2: 1:26:21

yeah. It's like you, but you would have to, it's like find people, like when you think about how

Speaker: 1:26:24

does God move people too, right?

Speaker 2: 1:26:26

But how do you, like, how do you connect with the people that. Ready, willing, able. Right. Like, so if I'm in my flow, okay, I'm gonna find people that are in the flow with me. Okay. That will connect with me versus people that are not. Right. And so, for example, but you're trying to

Speaker: 1:26:42

fix people. So if they're in the flow, they probably don't need you. Right.

Speaker 2: 1:26:47

As far as what,

Speaker: 1:26:48

uh, as far as, uh, business success therapy,

Speaker 2: 1:26:52

so I don't, I don't do any therapy anymore.

Speaker: 1:26:54

Okay.

Speaker 2: 1:26:54

Um, and, and so what I really most, oh, from

Speaker: 1:26:58

the coaching side?

Speaker 2: 1:26:59

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If I, if I need, if they need a support, if I need to support them or whatever. Okay. Um, but if I'm in that higher vibration, the p so I'll give you an example. Um, I was speaking at an event a few weeks ago and I was just, I was, my authentic self was like, like I was so in it. Yeah. Like I was so in it. And then the people that are ready, willing and able that to connect with me in whatever reasons or spaces. Right. And sometimes it's collaborations. I've been doing so much more collaborations with people that are just in the same, like Yeah. Just

Speaker: 1:27:31

vibing on the same channels.

Speaker 2: 1:27:33

Exactly. And it's like, but doing business differently in that sense. So it's, and the people that are not, are not gonna reach out to me. They're not gonna connect with me. They're not gonna, you know. Yeah. And I've, um, I've kind of evolved my company where I, I love helping people. Step into what they're meant to do and spread their message. So I've been doing a lot more like VAP days where it's a one in done, we collapse time, you're here for me, one, you know, this thing, we're doing this. Right. Um, and if they need to work on supporting, like getting them clear, like, we're doing this faster. Like, okay, instead of working with me for a year or six months, how about it's three months? How about it's two months? How about, how about, you know, a couple, a couple sessions?

Speaker 4: 1:28:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:28:12

Just to get people turned around and like ready to do it for themselves. Right.

Speaker 4: 1:28:16

Interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:28:16

And so, um, um, but it's, but it goes back to like tapping into like what they need. Right. And, and is that if there's intuition driven, I, I do teach people how to tap back into their intuition. Yeah. Um, I mean, from your part is

Speaker: 1:28:31

what I'm thinking. Oh, for me, like to know which of you, you've kinda described a few different kind of kinds of techniques and practices that you've studied and mm-hmm. Like, which one of those is gonna be relevant for a person? Is that, so

Speaker 2: 1:28:42

I

Speaker: 1:28:43

symptomatic driven, like, uh, chat, GPT can learn it? Or is it intuition driven? Like based on what you're hearing, feeling, seeing mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 1:28:52

Energize. Mm-hmm. So there's some certain things that I'll pick up on unconscious, like when they're doing unconsciously. So if we're doing some work together and if I start noticing them, like, um, you know, closing their eyes when we're saying certain things or like they're ignoring it. Mm-hmm. Like there's a couple like physical cues that I can pick up on, but also just intuitive. Like when I tell people, you might be a

Speaker: 1:29:10

good poker player. Maybe you start picking up on that energy stuff and you can tell when somebody's bluffing. Uh, you'll have to learn how to play poker first. Can always, I know play poker first, but like, you

Speaker 2: 1:29:19

can always en energetically test everything. Right? Sure. Like, and so I always say like, you know, when we, um, when I make choices in my business, I don't work with everyone. I turn away more people than I work with people. Yeah. Um, because they have to be ready to Yeah. Um,'cause I'm like, I don't, I don't have time to be like, dilly dalian, let's go. Right? Right. Let's go so I can get you on track. Let's, and then you have the track. Right. Um, um, but what I, what I feel like I'm evolving to, and literally just had a conversation right before I got here and she goes, well, what, what does 2026 look like for you? And I'm like, I am going around and I'm like, gonna be, you know, doing more of the show and, and more speaking. But it's really to help activate people and activate people into their own, their own piece. And I am just loving that. And so, well, if you can

Speaker: 1:30:03

do that, you'll gain a lot of, uh, energized followers as well. But it's

Speaker 2: 1:30:07

just like, it's like I just, I, I just truly believe that we all know in our hearts of hearts Yeah. What we're here to do. And we've, we've forgotten it. We've become disconnected to it. So yeah. That's a, that sermon

Speaker: 1:30:20

element, that's what I tell folks. We do, uh, we call it, uh, uh, the local collaborative process that we use in our peer advisory chapters. And it's, it's basically you put the question on the table and then you receive clarifying questions mm-hmm. From your fellow group before they're allowed to make any suggestions. Mm-hmm. And then you might get. 15 or 20 suggestions from this group of 10. Um, but what I tell my, my members, or my prospective members especially, is out of that list of 15 suggestions, like one or two or three or four of'em are gonna hit you in the gut or hit you in the heart or hit you in the brain.

Speaker 4: 1:30:59

Yeah. In

Speaker: 1:30:59

a way that's different and you'll just kind of know that's the right answer. Yeah. Or at least part of the right answer. And, and just trust that

Speaker 4: 1:31:08

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:31:08

Kind of that intuition is activated. It's somehow, I guess it's your unconscious, discerning, this kind of combination of factors, the, the questions that led up to the clarifying answers that led up to it. Mm-hmm. This, the combination of suggestions and, and all of that is going into the, the rock Tumblr, and without your brain figuring it out, your, your heart. Your gut mostly does.

Speaker 2: 1:31:34

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:31:34

Or at least how it's perceived.

Speaker 2: 1:31:35

Yeah. And it's like those little gut hits, like, right. Like, like that. Totally. Like that's, that's intuition. Right.

Speaker 4: 1:31:41

Right.

Speaker 2: 1:31:42

And yeah. If we can learn to use that more often. Yeah. It's, it's powerful. So I, I do teach people how to use muscle testing as a way of reconnecting to their, their, that intuition.

Speaker: 1:31:53

So there's a bit of technology element to that as well. Is that right?

Speaker 2: 1:31:55

Yeah. Well, I mean, I'll teach people, I dunno what muscle testing is. Muscle testing is, I'm imagining like testing your knee with a little hammer,

Speaker: 1:32:01

but it's different probably.

Speaker 2: 1:32:03

So you probably have seen people where they're like, usually on stages or whatever, if someone's doing muscle testing and they'll have someone with their arm out. Yeah. And then like Yeah. Resist. Right. Well that, that's one way. And then, but obviously you have to have another person to do that. And so there's probably nine or 10 different ways that you can use muscle testing. Okay. Um, you know, there's one that, and it's

Speaker: 1:32:22

all ultimately about figuring out what the gut thinks. Yeah. About things. So the sway test,

Speaker 2: 1:32:25

like the, I teach everyone the weight test at first'cause it's the fastest one. Um, so you stand up and you, um, put your feet shoulder length apart and then you say something like truth, like truth. I was born in November, excuse

Speaker 4: 1:32:36

me,

Speaker 2: 1:32:36

and then you sway. Okay. Um, and your truth will be forward and your falses will be backwards. So if I say truth, if I, we'll do this after this. Okay. And if, just remind me. Ava remind me. Yeah. And, uh, and then your falses will be backwards. So like, I'll say truth, I was born in February and then you'll sway backwards. So interesting. And if you're cross, meaning your energy is crossed. Yeah. There's a couple ways that you can clear yourself. Um, and you can just do the karate chop. Um, you can do the cross crawl, which is a, um, a whole, uh, a brain and gym exercise where you take your right hand to your left knee. I'm trying to tell us from people that are listening to the podcast and then your right knee to left, and so you're just kind of doing the cross crawl like this. Okay. You know, one at a time and that you can do that for a minute to help reset the brain. Interesting. Um, and then you'll get a true yes and true no. Um, there's the pendulum. There's, uh, people use tensors. I use, um, this process called sensing, and it took me eight months to master. Okay. But it took me forever. And you're supposed to get like a heaviness in your head. Okay. And a lightness for heaviness for nos, lightness for, uh, yeses. And I could not master it. And so finally I was like, okay. God spirit angel's like, just give me a true yes and a true no, just show it to me. And it was, I was driving and I had to download and I was like, oh, so my yeses are yawns and my nos are nothing. So I get a very clear, so if I'm testing something, I can just hold a piece of paper and I will teach people how to do it blind so that you take ego outta the way. Sure. Because it's your muscle testing you can make, you can force yourself to be like, I'm gonna make a force. Yes. Yeah. So if you take it into a blind, it takes ego out. It takes your, your human brain out of the equation. And so then you're really, truly testing that energy of it. And so you, um, I love it because then I can I test every client that I see?'cause maybe it's not a, maybe it's a timing issue. Maybe it's, I had a client one time, she wanted to work with me and she called me every month and I kept saying, no, it's, no, it's not. It took us 14 months before we worked together, but she was ready then, you know? And so, um, I'm really picky with who I work with.'cause I really want people to be successful. And so I'm invested in them. Um, I have an alternative motive, and that is that I do live events and when I have successful clients, I bring them up on stage and I want, so then I'm invested in their success. Right? Sure. And so, um, and so that's, um, so anyways, when you're starting to learn, you know, testing, it's really powerful. And, um, years ago, a couple years ago, I think it was in 2021, um, I had Oxygen Network. So I've done a lot of TV appearances. Okay. And, um. Oxygen network. Yeah. I've heard of it. I don't know if

Speaker: 1:35:09

I watched it much, but reached

Speaker 2: 1:35:10

out to me and they said they wanted to do a three hour show with me. Okay. Which is like huge. Okay. Like normally when you go on tv, it's like three minutes. Very right. Very beginning. And then they'll give you five minutes, and if you're really good, it's like six minutes. And then that's like, that's like the most, right. That's that's big time. Right. And so they, um, they said three hours. I'm like, wow. And so they picked me in Colorado and then they picked somebody in LA because that's where their studio's from. And I, um, I kept testing it the whole weekend. I talked to the producer probably three different times. And, and then at the end of the day, I had to give her an answer by Friday. And I, I kept getting, no, I never got a yes. And I'm so grateful that I said no, because they had their own little twist on the story. And it would've destroyed my reputation. It was, it would've probably destroyed my company. Interesting.'cause it was like, and I was like, oh my gosh. And it would've been just horrific. Horrific. Like, horrific pr. And I was like so grateful that I said no. And I was like, please. And I was like, uh, maybe just let the guy in LA do it because like, I, I don't want into it. Just don't feel it. Right.

Speaker 4: 1:36:12

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:36:13

And, um, I'm so grateful it did. And when I said no to that,

Speaker 4: 1:36:16

yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:36:16

I had other opportunities show up for me that I could not make up. And I was like, oh my gosh. So being able to say no to that opened up these other yeses that were way more expansive for me in business.

Speaker: 1:36:26

Yeah. Very interesting. Um, we like to spend a little time, um, jumping back to Little Terry. Little Terry, uh, we jump in the time machine and go back to you said the Midwest. Yeah, but where was, uh, where was three or 5-year-old little Terry?

Speaker 2: 1:36:41

So I grew up in a town called Burdick, Kansas. Burdick Bur small town. Yeah. Central part of, uh, Kansas.

Speaker: 1:36:49

So what's the s word there? Uh, Salina. Salina. So like, yeah, between south of that or something.

Speaker 2: 1:36:53

So right in between like Salina, Topeka. Wichita was like an hour and 15 minutes away. Very central part of Kansas. Okay. Um, and then, um, grew up there. Burdick was a population of a hundred, including the countryside. My

Speaker: 1:37:06

town was a hundred population too, that I grew up in, in North Dakota.

Speaker 2: 1:37:09

Oh, North Dakota. Yeah. I graduated

Speaker: 1:37:10

with a class of five high school class. Oh, you beat,

Speaker 2: 1:37:13

you are like the first person to like beat me. I have 18 in my graduating class. Oh,

Speaker: 1:37:17

that's a pretty good size. Yeah. Yeah. That was a big class for our school. I know.

Speaker 2: 1:37:21

Five. Wow.

Speaker: 1:37:22

Well that was two schools that merged when I was in second grade or something. So a couple towns.

Speaker 2: 1:37:26

We had five towns that made up our one school. Oh yeah. So similar. We had eight in football.

Speaker: 1:37:31

Yeah. If you just had two towns, you would've had a five person graduation. Yeah. We didn't have any football. We didn't have eight men. We didn't have 11 men. We had track and basketball. That was your options.

Speaker 2: 1:37:38

Okay. We had, I think we had like the main ones. We had the basketball, volleyball, cheerleading.

Speaker: 1:37:44

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:37:45

And golf was at a different town. They had like five kids. Oh yeah. You were metro

Speaker: 1:37:50

metropolitan. Almost big time. So, very agriculture driven town, I imagine. Yeah. Nobody moved there very often. It's fair. People moved away sometimes.

Speaker 2: 1:37:59

Yeah, same. And like, um, there was a lot of, a lot of our, um, a lot of my high school friends would go off to college mm-hmm. And then get trained in whatever. And then they'd come back to farm. Yeah. And so, you know, like a technical

Speaker: 1:38:13

school for agriculture or,

Speaker 2: 1:38:15

uh, or like other things even they played a school for sports and they became like one of one of my friends, he became a pharmacist and they came back and became a town pharmacist and like Yeah. And farmed on the side too. You got it. You know, it like, you know it. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that, um, there's a lot of, I, there's a lot of things that I love about small town and, uh, growing up in a small town,

Speaker 4: 1:38:35

yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:38:35

There was a lot of great things. Like my favorite memories are just like, which again, like I can't, like, you know, you grew up there too, so you understand. Like, we would drive, we would ride our bikes as kids. Oh yeah. Into town. That was three miles.'cause we lived outside of town'cause we lived Sure. I lived

Speaker: 1:38:49

in town, but we would ride our bikes five miles out of town too if we wanted to. And then, I mean, see friends, we were

Speaker 2: 1:38:53

unsupervised for the entire summer. Totally. Yeah. The entire time. Like, you know, people were dark, you're like, oh my gosh. Right. Yeah. From 8:00

Speaker: 1:38:59

AM until 8:00 PM you're just good.

Speaker 2: 1:39:01

Yeah. But you know, I, I learned a lot of values from that. And there's a lot of, well, when I first Were your family

Speaker: 1:39:05

farmers or what were they do in there?

Speaker 2: 1:39:07

Mom was a stay-home mom and then dad worked. Um, he was, I I would say he was like an inventor. Oh, so he was a he did, um, he would invent things. Okay. And then he became, uh, was working, um, invented a machine that was actually designed to put. Like how they do roofs. Okay. And so he invented that and then he started working and, and, and creating, selling that product or whatever. And then he would also, and were they born

Speaker: 1:39:34

and raised there? Did they move to there?

Speaker 2: 1:39:35

They, they were both in Kansas. Yeah. But different place. Yeah. Different parts. And then, um, and then, uh, and then he would also, um, there obviously was lots of farming Sure. Um, communities. And so there was a lot of accidents and so people would like, get disabled because of like, I lost my arm because of this. I lost, you know? And so he would actually invent, um, ways to modify, um, vehicles, gates, things that, if there was, you know, so that's kind of cool. Interesting. Um, and then, um, so I have two older brothers and then a younger sister. Okay. And so there was four of us that grew up, but there's like, um, I just have some of my favorite memories came from like, just growing up in the Yeah. And creating our fun. Like we had creative fun. And I think that's why I'm so creative today, I'm sure, to be honest. Um, back in the day I was gonna go get my PhD and I was gonna study, um, kids that grew up on, in like that had no technology, um, and how their brains form compared to people that had access to technology.

Speaker: 1:40:33

Man, I'm hearing from like, uh, there's some schools now or even classrooms that are banning phones in the classroom and stuff. And the. The pace of learning in those rooms is so much more extraordinary. It's almost like back to the old days where kids can actually learn.'cause they're not fucking around on their phone the whole time and playing Candy Crush or texting pictures to their friends on Snapchat.

Speaker 2: 1:40:59

I just, I think they're like, there's something about the creative mind. Like we had to create our fun. Yeah.'cause we, we had four channels, technically two of them were the same channel. Right. So we had three channel. Yeah. We had

Speaker: 1:41:08

channels, two radio stations. One was pop, one was country.

Speaker 2: 1:41:10

There you go. Right. And we just had to go create our fun. And it's funny'cause like somebody last night, uh, was saying, we're gonna do a special episode in on December 9th. And, and she said, we're gonna have you bring back your a favorite toy when you were growing up and da da da. And I was like, and I was thinking about it today, this morning when I was up. I was like doing my meditation and I was thinking about it. I was like, what would I take? And I was like, you know what? I would take, um, you know, those like big scissors? They're like, yeah. They're like Edward, like for a chamber

Speaker: 1:41:38

open house or something like that.

Speaker 2: 1:41:40

Well, not, not like that. The the Clippers. Like the, oh,

Speaker: 1:41:42

for hedge trimmer. Hedge trimmer. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:41:44

I was like, I think I would take that because like, that was one of my favorite things as a kid, because I was like, we were always creating and cutting like grass and we were cutting flowers and we were making, we were just cre always creating, yeah. Fighting some cardboard. Cut things out, cutting things out, making diorama or like, just like, um, like we were making like dandelion soup out in our, you know, um, in our forts. And we had like lots of different forts and we, we probably had like four different forts in our, in our house. And we had, we had a high ride, like two older

Speaker: 1:42:12

brothers. Right. So, uh, yes, we, lots of things. Designers mostly. And we

Speaker 2: 1:42:15

were like, and we had, you know, tree houses and we had, you know, like all these things we had, we had a cave, we had this like, cool little place. I mean, we just, we were constantly outside. Yeah, yeah. Playing and stuff. And then I thought that the other thing would be like a scarf, because when we were younger, my mom sewed a lot and she had this, um, and she, we found this cabinet one time and there's all these like gorgeous scarves and like a beautiful things. And we would make gowns. And so instead of like playing dress up, traditionally we would take and you could wrap these Yeah. And, and tie them and put it over. And then you'd have scarves for hair and we would just constantly be rapping and tying in. Safety pitting, but we would make these gorgeous gowns and we'd play. Oh, fun. I mean, it was just so much fun. Um, and, uh, one of our neighbors one time, um, when my daughter was younger, I did the same thing. I was like, I went and bought just a whole bunch of pieces of like gorgeous, like

Speaker: 1:43:05

vivid fabric kind of stuff. Fabric of things,

Speaker 2: 1:43:07

right. And then we would just, Dr that's how we played dress up. Well, she, um, was from, um, she was Ethiopian and I was like, come have the girls come over and play dress up. And she's like, oh, we don't, we don't dress up in costumes. Like we don't, that's that's against like our belief system. Yeah. And I'm like, well, this is what we do. And she goes, oh my gosh, I love it. She's, they're welcome to do that. And I was like, oh my gosh. And so,'cause they were just, they didn't, they didn't believe in costumes from a

Speaker: 1:43:32

faith perspective probably of, uh, adornment kind of, uh,'cause that's. Like, it was just, I forget what they call the ETH opening. Like, because they didn't,

Speaker 2: 1:43:39

because they don't, like, they don't believe in Halloween. They don't believe in, right, right. Which I totally get. Um, and all the things up, it starts with

Speaker: 1:43:44

a CI think is their kind of branch of Christianity, but I can't quite recall it anyway, so she was like, oh my gosh. So we, it was just, it

Speaker 2: 1:43:51

was, but some of our favorite memories are coming from like, just being cre like that again was like a creativity thing. So

Speaker: 1:43:57

what was your, uh, like launch, like when you, or did you go all the way through high school there? You said a class of 18? Yeah. And then off to college right away, or mm-hmm. What was your, were you destined to depart that little town in Kansas?

Speaker 2: 1:44:09

Oh my gosh. I had my bags packed two weeks prior. I'm not gonna lie, I was so excited. Like my mom always said that you were a city girl, stuck in tr and stuck in a country girl's life. Yeah, because I loved diversity. I loved ex, like we always had, um, kids that were foreign exchange students and it was very a white school, right? Sure. And then we'd have a foreign exchange student and I'd be like, I was like, I'll be your best friend. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I was like, and I just would gravitate and I just wanted to learn and soak up and just like, ugh. All the things

Speaker: 1:44:37

we only knew had one exchange student that I remember from my high school years, and he was Swedish, so he was like even whiter than we were, but he talked funny. So that was cool.

Speaker 2: 1:44:45

Just so I was always fascinated. And then, so then my husband and I, so when we went, I went, I went to um, Emporia State. Um. In for college. And I knew Is that Wichita or something? What? It was in Emporia. Oh, Emporia, Kansas. Oh yeah, por start. Okay. And so I went there'cause I was, I, you know, I was first generation college grad. Yeah. And so I just, I really didn't have the confidence to be honest. I was, you first didn't know

Speaker: 1:45:10

anything about applying for a scholarships for other schools or things either. Just like mine. Exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:45:15

Exactly. And so I was like, I was first generation college grad or college student and I just, I was really shy and I had just kind, kind of gotten over my shyness, but I was still really reserved. I was a really, um, and I was just like, I didn't have the confidence.

Speaker: 1:45:29

Well I dunno about you, but I was, even though I was a, mostly a student in high school, I assumed that when I went to college that almost everybody was gonna be smarter than me.

Speaker 4: 1:45:37

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:45:38

You know?'cause I was this bumpkin kid. Yeah, definitely. You know, and I hadn't had pre precalc or calculus yet and I needed to go and study that to become an engineer like I thought I was supposed to do. Yeah. Um, and then, you know, I spent a year and a half acting that way. And then I realized you go, oh, it turns out I'm just as smart as these city kids. Yeah. Right. Uh, and so I might as well act like that instead. Yeah. Good for you. Well, you gotta, good for, you gotta believe it before you act that

Speaker 2: 1:46:02

way. Yeah, exactly. Um, so did

Speaker: 1:46:04

you finish up there, go all the way through or?

Speaker 2: 1:46:06

So I, I, I was gonna go two years into Emporia and then I was gonna transfer to Washburn'cause I was gonna become a social worker. And then I met some amazing mentors along the way and they really just kind of guided me'cause I really just didn't have that direction. And I realized looking back, they were just like, like it was, they were just like divinely planted in my life. Yeah. And like, they just helped guide me to what I needed. And it was, it was, it was beautiful. And then my husband, my boyfriend at the time, him and I got married and then, uh, and then we were like, let's do our undergrad internships.'cause we had just graduated, we were doing our undergrad internships somewhere. And so we used to play darts to make decisions. Okay. So like, okay, who's cooking? Or, you know, are we going out to dinner or like, are we going to this restaurant or this restaurant, blah. And we would play darts to figure that out. And so we put up the United States map. He got a dart, I got a DART one landed in, uh, Colorado. Yep. And then one landed in Arizona. And I said, Ooh, Arizona. Hot sticky. Um, and then we are like, we'd come out here a couple times to ski and then I was like, oh, Colorado snowy. Like most, most people think because we come out here when it's snowing. And so I was like, uh, I said, well, here's a compromise. We'll move to Colorado for one year. If it sucks, we'll move to California. And then 20 some years later, you know, we are still here. Did you come

Speaker: 1:47:18

straight to Denver? Or where did you land first? Yeah, how did you So we make the move.

Speaker 2: 1:47:22

So I was doing an internship in Denver, like downtown Denver, and he was doing one in Lafayette.

Speaker 4: 1:47:28

Oh.

Speaker 2: 1:47:29

And so we drove from Denver to Lafayette and we're like, eh, this is about the middle ground. So we, we ended up in Westminster because that was about right. Halfway, halfway point between the two. And then we, you know, kind of popped around to different places. And then now we live in Parker. And you

Speaker: 1:47:43

just kind of, uh, got into counseling shortly after, and then

Speaker 2: 1:47:47

Yeah. Got sick, your boss

Speaker: 1:47:48

and started the, the rest of the journey from there. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:47:51

The rest of the journey. And, and yeah. That, that brings you, that brings you full circle.

Speaker: 1:47:55

Yeah. Would you like to play our strange game? Yes. I wanna play strange games. Random question. Ping pong balls. Oh,

Speaker 2: 1:48:04

I love this.

Speaker: 1:48:05

Okay. So grab three of these out of here. Okay. And you can just grab all three and I'll take it back from you so we don't have this big ugly bucket on the table for too long. Okay. And each of those questions is tied to a question on this list. List.

Speaker 2: 1:48:22

Oh my gosh. I'm a little nervous. Okay,

Speaker: 1:48:23

man, two again, everybody draws me two. No, I,

Speaker 2: 1:48:25

no, I got, I got 12, I got 29.

Speaker: 1:48:27

Oh, that's not a two. Okay, good.

Speaker 2: 1:48:29

21 and 10.

Speaker: 1:48:30

Okay. Do you have a preference for where we start? You? You surprised me. What did you say? 21, 29 and 10. Yep. Okay. It's pretty fun.

Speaker 2: 1:48:43

I mean, yeah. Gimme a fun one. I'm a fun pusher. That one's

Speaker: 1:48:45

pretty fun. I will start with, uh,

Speaker 2: 1:48:49

if you wanna change it up, I would never know. Yeah, it's true. I would not.

Speaker: 1:48:52

The, uh, what was the most surprising thing to you about building a business? Like from starting that sole proprietorship and then realizing you couldn't have a vacation unless you hired somebody, but as you were navigating, especially that growth from the two of you to four of you to 10 of you Yeah. And hiring an admin, office management and stuff, like, was there, was there anything that really surprised you about that journey?

Speaker 2: 1:49:19

Oh, goodness. Um, gosh, I just, I think about just like the time, right? And just wearing so many hats, like nobody told you, like, Hey, you're gonna get into this. And instead of, instead of going and working and doing one role right, at one company Totally, you're gonna do all the roles and all the things and be all the things, right? Um, and I was one of those folks that, you know, if the light bulb needs change, I was gonna change it. Like I was the, I was active. Yeah. You were part of that servant, leader of the shop

Speaker: 1:49:50

kind

Speaker 4: 1:49:51

of,

Speaker 2: 1:49:51

yeah. And, um, I, I just believed, if, you know, um. I can't expect someone else to do it if I'm not willing to do it. Yeah. Um, but I just think that like all the hats and all the things are just being pulled in so many different directions. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:50:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:50:03

Until I bought, until I, until I grew team. And so one of the things that I did do that was, um, that came outta that, and I read the book, the E Myth Revisited. Sure. And if you're not an entrepreneur, if you're an entrepreneur and have not read this, like, it's like, yeah, it's, and one of my hacks, I'm gonna spoil it for people, but I wrote out the, the company flow chart. So I put the CEO, that's me, and then I put the head widget maker, which is me, I was a therapist. Mm-hmm. And I was the supervisor. I was also the CPA, I was the bookkeeper, I was the admin, I was the sales, I was the marketing. And I put my name in every box. And then I put down like three to four roles. The major roles of each of those boxes. Yep, yep. And then I said, what do I hate the most? Yeah. And then, um, I went and filled that position. I'm like, how much more, how many more? Or do the most

Speaker: 1:50:51

poorly anyway? Yeah. Or yeah, for me, like yeah, whatever. I mean, I guess we hate doing things poorly, so Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:50:56

There's, trust me. And so then I was like, okay. And so I backfilled it. Yeah. Um, and I just kept backfilling it. So then I was like, okay, how many more clients do I need to see in order for this to happen? So I was like, okay, a bookkeeper is this much. Okay, perfect. I can see three more clients, more clients a month. And I just kept backfilling it and I totally backfilled it. Fascinating. You know? Yeah.

Speaker: 1:51:13

That's an interesting, I could tell you're very, I like me in the kept me in the business person. It kept in the black, the whole, you just wouldn't allow that to not happen. Even if you weren't an MBA or anything like that. It was like, okay, this is how many we need.

Speaker 2: 1:51:24

Yeah. Yeah. But I, I did feel like I got like a third and fourth degree in my car.'cause I was always driving around and the thing that I was always like listening to is business and understanding that, and then just applying it. Right. Like business books and different things. Business book, I mean podcast later. Like all the things I just constant, I'm constantly learning and I just, but the implement, you have to implement those things Right. In order for it to really Yeah. Simmering ideas. Just

Speaker: 1:51:48

sit there and simmer. Yeah. One thing I've, uh, been I guess blessed by or observed here, you know, we're in Fort Collins and Loveland we're kind of the first non-California home of hp. Oh. And he, Hewlett Packard didn't have an Outof state shop until they did that original thing in Loveland. And then the big shop in Fort Collins.

Speaker 4: 1:52:08

Okay.

Speaker: 1:52:09

And over the. Last 25 years I've been here, they've laid off a bunch of people. Okay. Over time. And, uh, the number of laid off HP people that decided to buy a small business, because that would be really easy. Oh, they're so hosed. Right. And, and, and they, a lot of'em figure it out. But, but hp, you know, for a long time especially, they hired, you know, the best of the brightest and best and, and then they spend years telling them how much smarter than they are, than everybody else.

Speaker 4: 1:52:38

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:52:39

And then they go buy a small business and they're like, fish

Speaker 4: 1:52:42

outta water.

Speaker: 1:52:43

Fuck. I was a project manager. I had one job. And now even though I'm a pretty good project manager, how do I manage 14 jobs? Yeah. I'm struggling.

Speaker 2: 1:52:52

Yeah.

Speaker: 1:52:52

And, uh, anyway, I was just thinking it's

Speaker 2: 1:52:54

not for the faint of heart. Like, and I think, here's the thing is if someone would've told me what it really entailed, I would've been like, uh, forget that. Right. Like, who would sign up for it? I'll just find a different place to work instead. Who would sign up for that? Like, I feel like entrepreneurs have to be somewhat crazy.

Speaker: 1:53:09

Yeah. Or ignorant. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:53:11

Or, or that too. Right.

Speaker: 1:53:14

But we love'em and, and they're difference makers in the world. Exactly. What's a, uh, hobby or skill you've always wanted to pick up but never have?

Speaker 2: 1:53:22

Oh, to play the ukulele? Oh, I have a ukulele. You're a second person to me that I have a, I have a ukulele and I was trying to teach myself, um, it over the pandemic, and I just, I don't know what it is. Like, I just don't, I don't have a musical, the muscle memory kind of stuff just doesn't really, it's just. I, I, I, are you

Speaker: 1:53:39

sporty? Otherwise you Oh,

Speaker 2: 1:53:40

yeah. Yeah. Uh, I did learn, um, during the pandemic, I, the skill that I did learn Yeah. Um, was skateboarding.

Speaker: 1:53:46

Okay. So you're coordinated. And

Speaker 2: 1:53:47

I, I, if you can

Speaker: 1:53:48

skateboard as an older person, that's impressive. I, I've

Speaker 2: 1:53:51

skateboarded in heels already. I'm not an older person,

Speaker: 1:53:52

but yeah. And

Speaker 2: 1:53:53

I have, um, I, and there was this big hill that I was like, I wanna work up to the big hill. I wanna work. So I've worked up to the Big Hill, and I actually did a Facebook Live while I was on Skateboarding Hill. Like, don't recommend this. I know folks. Okay. Um, and then I, I started learning like the little tricks. I can do a flip, like, you know what you really, yeah. What is it? You put the, well, you flip it

Speaker: 1:54:10

over and you put

Speaker 2: 1:54:10

the, uh, skateboard on top of your toes, and then you flip it. Yeah. And you flip onto it. Yeah. I can do that.

Speaker: 1:54:15

That's cool. It's super weird with my kids. I'm scared to death, but I'm, I'm pretty tall with pointy elbows. You're just a little thing. You don't fall nearly as far as I would.

Speaker 2: 1:54:23

Uh, yeah. But I, um, that's cool. Yeah. I'd say that ukulele, I love, I, I love watching people play the piano and I, I would just love to be able to play the piano. I mean, I kind have man hands, so I think I could do it. Well, fuck that.

Speaker: 1:54:37

Well, if you can't, if you can't do a, was it a ukulele? Three strings or four? No, I know, I know. Maybe are you saying maybe not like a piano has a whole bunch of stuff going on there. Start with the ukulele. Maybe there's like,

Speaker 2: 1:54:50

I know, right?

Speaker: 1:54:51

Um, uh, oh, here's a fun one. What is your death row meal? They're gonna, oh my gosh. Whack at the, of the day. I got this planned out. Okay, sweet. I'm asking, I spent a lot

Speaker 2: 1:55:00

of time thinking about that too. I'm asking for three months.

Speaker: 1:55:04

Okay. I

Speaker 2: 1:55:05

need three months because I have so many favorite meals. So I always will say this will be my last

Speaker: 1:55:09

Oh, so you want 90 death row meals?

Speaker 2: 1:55:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Or, or whatever.

Speaker: 1:55:13

270 if it's three a day. Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:55:14

Yeah, for sure. Like, I mean, I mean, so I have lots of meals that I love and so,

Speaker: 1:55:19

but you get one No, in this case,'cause the prison doesn't have a budget to give you 90 death row meals or two 70. But I've asked

Speaker 2: 1:55:26

for 90 days. I mean, 30 days.

Speaker: 1:55:27

They don't care what you want because you killed a bunch of people. That's why you're on death row. Okay. They all took your, your business advice and then killed themselves and it didn't work.

Speaker 2: 1:55:36

Saying like, I've, I have direct guidance to say like, I'm gonna have 30 days to like, eat up all the things, but Okay. I would probably start with,

Speaker: 1:55:45

yeah, you could have as many courses as you want. I know that's, I'm like up to, up to 12, we'll say.

Speaker 2: 1:55:48

Mm. I would say like, um, a burrito from this Mexican restaurant in our hometown that we go to on a regular basis. It's so delicious. Interesting. And then with, but just a small portion of it, I, because you don't wanna fill

Speaker: 1:55:59

up,

Speaker 2: 1:56:00

you whatever, like I'm going big, like I'm going out, like I'm pulling out, okay. I'm not gonna gain a lot of weight before they kill me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so a smother with extra green chill. Yummy. Yeah. And then I would go to like a lunch place. Like I would have probably sushi. Um, and then, oh my gosh.

Speaker: 1:56:16

Well, you're not going, you're not getting out of present to go to this. They're gonna bring you the sushi. They're Uber Eats or something. Um,

Speaker 2: 1:56:21

oh my gosh. Any particular kinds of soupy sushi or just a variety? The, uh, okay. This, this one. My favorite sushi is like un sushi. My husband's like that. It's not even sushi Terry, but so like, it's so delicious. Haa sushi. Okay. Has this orgasm roll. Okay. And it lives up to its name. Okay. I'm just saying it's so good. It's a baited roll. It's baked. Okay. It's warm.

Speaker: 1:56:41

Oh, is it kinda like when they do the fish mix things in that white saucy kind of stuff? I don't know, but it's so delicious. I bet it is. I, I forget superhero. So delicious. Did that, um, it's like a little baked, almost cheesy feeling kind of thing. No, not that. It's just so delicious. Anyway. Okay. It's just so delicious. The orgasm roll from very, it's

Speaker 2: 1:56:57

orgasmic. It's so, or orgasmic orga come

Speaker: 1:57:01

with the white sauce. Oh,

Speaker 2: 1:57:07

kidding. Okay. So, um, and then, um, oh, and then like, um, at Sushi Den they have this like, crispy, uh, tuna, um, scrump, like sushi, like a fancy roll kind of thing. Oh, it's, it's like an appetizer, but it's so, I mean it's Okay. So amazing. And then, um, Kona Grill. Um, they have these amazing, like, this, this would be like an, uh, for dinner. We would move into the dinner course. Sure. And they have these amazing avocado rolls. Okay. And the secret, so we're sticking heavy

Speaker: 1:57:38

on the sushi here. Oh my gosh. After, after a Mexican entre or big starter.

Speaker 2: 1:57:43

And then we would go into, and then they have this, they have this, uh, macadamian chicken meal. Okay. It has potatoes and like whatever their seasoned vegetables. Like, so heavenly, like, you wanna lick the plate. Okay. If you've not had this, I'm not like, you've got like the special, this is Kona still the sh Yeah. Kona. So that had this like Shwe. Is this

Speaker: 1:58:04

in Denver? It's in Denver. Okay. It's

Speaker 2: 1:58:05

in, it's actually in, uh, uh. You're writing it down. You should go. Yeah. It's amazing. Um, I hope all these people get kickbacks here.'cause I'm telling you like, um, not from me. So, so good. Um, I have this like, delicious sauce. Ugh. I then this have this like mango parmley. Ugh. So good. Um, and then for dessert, Hmm. What are we gonna do with dessert? Ugh. What is my, I would, I I love slushies. This is not, oh, really? This makes no sense. You're gonna take a

Speaker: 1:58:35

slushie over like a lava cake or something like that? Yes, for sure. Like, gimme

Speaker 2: 1:58:39

a slushie or gimme a, some give me Or a popsicle. Like a lemonade. Like a lime. Or like, not even real fruit. Just, yeah, no, like, I just, I mean, they have those like real, those like real fruit, like ones, uh, the lime or the lemon. Just gimme a slushie. Like lemon or lime. Ugh. Yum. Alright. Yum.

Speaker: 1:58:54

I dig it. Do you wanna say something nice about your husband or your, do you have one daughter?

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We have a one daughter, yep. Okay.

Speaker: 1:59:02

Um, let's talk about that a little bit. Your what? Tell me about the husband first. Uh,

Speaker 2: 1:59:07

yeah, we met in college. Yep. In our, in the very first day. Okay. Uh, I met, um, in the marriage, uh, we were in, I, I'm taking this part of my degree, it's called the marriage. Uh, it was a marriage and family class, and then there was a lot of football players and athletes. Right. Trying to take the easy classes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And like, they waited and he actually waited and then he didn't have choice in elective, and so they got thrown into this class. Anyhow, long story we, that we, I stalked him and he stalked me in. Uh, it's a long story anyhow, but, um, funny story along that process. And then that's, um, so we were the, and my college professor that day, and I had her in lots of classes. And so she's like, take a good look around. I've had 27 couples meet and marry this class. And my roommate Eric looked and like, there's like players maybe, right? We're like, there's no one right. Anyways, but long story short, we met in her class and um, uh, after our stalking stories fell in love. And then we were the 28th couple to meet and Mary my class. That's cool. And I actually stopped by her office one time and I said, Hey, come and join us. And she came to our wedding. Oh. And she, she, um, knitted an Afghan for us. We still have to this day. Wow. So it's really pretty. That's pretty cool. And then, um, we have a daughter who is, uh, she's a sophomore in high school. Uh, she's competitive in, uh, softball, or I'm sorry, softball. And, uh, yeah, so we've been traveling. What position? Uh, she plays outfield. Um, catch and, and third.

Speaker: 2:00:32

Cool. Yeah. That's a pretty wide spectrum. Yeah. Usually the outfielders are there because they can't get down on a grounder. Yeah. First. But if she's playing third first she gets down on the grounder. I

Speaker 2: 2:00:41

know. So she was first catcher and third and then during high school. Yeah. We knew that she wouldn't, that she was a freshman lettering. Right, right. And so we're like, we're she's not playing in field. Right, right. At that situation. And so she played in outfield and it was funny'cause like the day everyone's like, oh my gosh, we love your daughter. She's so good. Like, how long have you She's been playing outfield. I'm like, um, four days. Right. She's

Speaker: 2:01:01

never done it before. But

Speaker 2: 2:01:02

she's a, she's a great athlete. That's, she like picks things up and she's, she's great. So Awesome. But we've been, so we just, uh, our time is spent like, we either chasing her around the country, like seriously, like she does club and so, and someone goes like, when's the off season? Did it just end? I'm like, no, it just started like, we have like one month. December is off. That's it. So

Speaker: 2:01:18

yeah, she optimistic to go to school and keep playing softball too. Yeah. She wants to play. She

Speaker 2: 2:01:23

has a couple places. Like she has a, funny enough, Emporia is one of her like. It's not her top, but it's one of, because like they Yeah. That's pretty cool though. She has a, she wants to do sports medicine. Yeah. And they have like one of the best programs in there.

Speaker: 2:01:35

Well, and what a neat thing it would be to be that close to her. The, the deeper roots Yeah. Kind of thing. For sure. You know, and experience that kind of lifestyle. Small. And we have lots of family like

Speaker 2: 2:01:43

my brother-in-law. Yeah. And plus you

Speaker: 2:01:45

got a place to eat all the time and wash your clothes if you need to, whatever. But it's, but it's not that far. But she's also looking at South Carolina too, so that's even farther.

Speaker 2: 2:01:53

Yeah, I know. I know. But, we'll, we'll, we'll move. We're gonna, we're gonna be when she leaves, we'll we'll move with her by that

Speaker: 2:01:58

time. Yeah. I mean, talking with Terry's gonna be nationwide syndication, so you can live wherever you want. Thank you for speaking life. Rent, super expensive studios. If you want whatever. Buy one love. Probably buy one former Nashville Sound Studio. You can just pick that up with a little bit of the royal royalties that are flowing in from all the, I love it. Amazing. Successful businesses.

Speaker 2: 2:02:18

I love it. I love it. I'll take more of that

Speaker: 2:02:19

last, uh, last question. The loco experience, the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners. The craziest and crazy might be near death. It might be ironic, it might be God surprising or, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 2:03:20

I'm an adventurist, so my first brain goes to like that. Okay. Um. Um, craziest experience. Um, so I, I just love adrenaline, so I, I try to test myself. So, um, hence the squirrel

Speaker: 2:03:35

suit.

Speaker 2: 2:03:35

Yeah. And you're like, hello? I do, I do actually wanna do that. That's in Germany. I, um, you can do the squirrel suit. Really? In Germany? Yeah. Like for real, like, you jump off buildings and you have a squirrel, like, not kidding you.

Speaker: 2:03:47

Like, do they have like a, a safety feature? A

Speaker 2: 2:03:49

I don't know. The one videos, the videos I've seen, is it, is it a tandem thing

Speaker: 2:03:53

where they jump on airplanes, tandem? They're

Speaker 2: 2:03:54

like, the ones I've seen are like people jumping off cliffs and doing it outside. I they have a big net just in case Keep your wings closed. I don't know. That's the, they just have some training for

Speaker: 2:04:03

facilit. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. I enjoy watching those videos though, where people are like, okay, here we go.

Speaker 2: 2:04:07

Yeah. So I've done, I've done skydiving, um, three times and the first one was really, I mean, it all had like unique things, but I've, I've done skydiving, I've driven race cars. Mm. Swam with dolphins, um, know hot air balloons, the jumped off the cliff and did, um, paragliding and parasailing and like, did you ever

Speaker: 2:04:28

feel like your life was in danger at any of those experiences?

Speaker 2: 2:04:32

No. I mean, it's, it's, the, the skydiving was, um, terrifying the very first time Okay. That I did it. Um, because I was like, you just didn't know what to expect. Right. Yeah. And, um, and it was just like, and I thought it was gonna be like all cute and getting on them be like, Hey, and this is me. Like I have the worst fear face.'cause I'm like. Like getting out and I'm like, all, oh my gosh. It was pretty funny, but I, I mean, it was, it was terrifying. That was, um, and then like I did it again with my husband and then we did it again with my mom. Oh, wow. Um, and the last time it was really fun because like they had to keep going up because the winds were too windy. Mm. Um, so you had to get

Speaker: 2:05:08

above the windy part.

Speaker 2: 2:05:09

Yeah. And so it kept going up and I'm like, yes. And I never, I never understood white knuckling. I never really understood that concept.

Speaker: 2:05:15

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:05:15

Until I saw it in action, my mom was like, white knuckling it. I was like, Ooh, that's what that means. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Speaker: 2:05:22

I saw a short video clip yesterday on the internet somewhere, and it was somebody testing out their new, um, Chinese parachute off of Amazon.

Speaker 2: 2:05:31

Oh dear. That I would do that. And it

Speaker: 2:05:33

literally just had handles kind of like, oh, you know, the stretchy bands that you can work out with and stuff. Oh yeah. It had like a pair of those kind of handles and then the, the para glide material and stuff. And yeah. So he's got this video go, he is like, okay, I opened it and he is like holding onto with two hands and then one of the side snaps right away.

Speaker 4: 2:05:53

Oh no.

Speaker: 2:05:53

He was wearing a regular parachute too, under the assumption that the

Speaker 4: 2:05:57

Oh dear Chinese

Speaker: 2:05:58

parachute was, and then he is like trying to hold onto it so he can keep the evidence and it's like hanging up there. But he is got his main shoot out and he finally, anyway, it was a pretty cool video, just like hope nobody buys a parachute on Amazon thinking that they should use it. Hopefully nobody would buy a parachute that you can. You is holding onto That seems like an unsustainable. Yeah, sustain. Like, I could only hang onto a bar for like a minute, you know? I'm not gonna hang onto a parish for 10.

Speaker 2: 2:06:24

Oh my goodness. Anyway, I

Speaker: 2:06:25

digress. Yeah. So not one of those though, or No, I

Speaker 2: 2:06:28

didn't have any near, like,

Speaker: 2:06:30

nothing

Speaker 2: 2:06:31

like a near death experience. Is that what you're asking? Yeah.

Speaker: 2:06:33

Or whatever. When I, when I say what's a crazy experience that you've had in your lifetime. Yeah. A crazy

Speaker 2: 2:06:37

experience. Yeah. Um,

Speaker: 2:06:40

I mean, the whole shark alligators.

Speaker 2: 2:06:42

I mean, that wasn't, yeah. That wasn't really real. Um, business betrayals. Yeah. Yeah. All of that kind of stuff. All that stuff. Um, yeah, like, um, yeah, I would just say like the adventures piece of it. Um, gosh. Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to think of like, I mean, I, I biffed it one time we were skateboarding and like, I like wiped myself out, jacked myself up real good. Okay. Ripped through the, you know, whipped through my pants and all that. And, you know,

Speaker: 2:07:11

well, I think even learning how to skateboard as. Uh, however old of a person you are. Yes. And mother and life. Yes. I, I'm

Speaker 2: 2:07:17

39 since you asked

Speaker: 2:07:19

still.

Speaker 2: 2:07:21

So last year I, I celebrated my 40th birthday and then I, I this, and then now you're going backwards. I'm just going backwards. So, last year, and my, and all my friends were like, you're turning 40. And like, they were so,'cause I, I just picked a number and, um, and so then I was like, well, this year I'm gonna be 39 and da da, da. I'm really not 40 either. I'm not gonna tell you that. Like, but I was like, but it just keeps them guessing, right? Yeah. 41. Yeah. I'm 39,

Speaker: 2:07:45

38 next year. 38. I know, right? I will

Speaker 2: 2:07:49

be, I'll be, thank you. See,

Speaker: 2:07:50

well, I gave you kudos for, so I'll tell you this. Picking up that skateboard for sure. Yeah. Well,

Speaker 2: 2:07:54

I'll tell you this. Like, um, my, um, one of my, my office manager, she was, she was se she was 70 and she looked, she, she looked 50 and she acted like she was 40.

Speaker 4: 2:08:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:08:05

And one of the things that I took away from her is just like, you know, life is too short to take it so seriously. And like, I just, um, I just, I, I said I, I'm going to embody that. Hmm. When you see those videos on those like 80, those like women, they're like 80 or 90 Sure. Doing all the things like that lady that was really so Sophia Lauren,

Speaker: 2:08:22

I mean, just

Speaker 2: 2:08:22

like when, whenever like, whenever they're doing like, I was like, I wanna be that person. Yeah. Like Revo McIntyre. Yeah. What is she doing? I

Speaker: 2:08:30

don't know, but she's, she's just like, she looks great for 80 or whatever. She must be by now, 70. Like, you

Speaker 2: 2:08:35

know what, let's go do this. Let's, let's go, let's go. And they do stuff. Yeah. Like, let's go do this. Like, so I, you know, I'm, I always with my daughter, I'm like, let's just go like, do this. And I'm always like the one who's pushing like the Yeah. The fun. And like, let's go do this and let's go try this and let's go.

Speaker: 2:08:47

I have, I have a theory that like, worry is probably the fastest age accelerant.

Speaker 2: 2:08:56

Yeah. Fear. Yeah.

Speaker: 2:08:57

Fear and worry. For sure. The Bible says that more than it says anything else is fear not or worry not

Speaker 2: 2:09:03

fill. I think there was like, it's like, it's like in there, like 300 or times. Yeah. I'm like at least numbers. Yeah. Fear not. And,

Speaker: 2:09:08

and it's because I think, you know, it's, it's, well, it separates you from mm-hmm. God, that energy source, however your perception of spirituality is, I think fear is definitely a divider from that. Yeah. And, and, and ability.

Speaker 2: 2:09:21

Yeah.

Speaker: 2:09:22

Um, and

Speaker 2: 2:09:22

the opposite of that is love. Right? Right. Yeah. And so going into the place of love. Right.

Speaker: 2:09:26

So love. Yes. Fear not,

Speaker 2: 2:09:27

that's right. No. Yeah. I just like, I think we can,

Speaker: 2:09:30

and I guess Jesus said that effectively as well, right? Like, that's the two commandments. Love God with all your heart, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself.

Speaker 2: 2:09:39

So years ago, I, um, as, as a therapist, we learned that, you know, there's, we're only born with two fears. Okay. That's it. Do you know what they're

Speaker: 2:09:48

snakes?

Speaker 2: 2:09:50

No.

Speaker: 2:09:50

And, uh, losing my mommy?

Speaker 2: 2:09:53

No. Uh, they were born with two fears and that is the, the fear of loud noises. Okay. And the sensation of falling. Hmm. So, and I realized that I was like, I was so afraid of heights and I was like, okay, fair enough. That kind of goes in there. But I was like, my, I had so many friends that were not afraid of heights. So I started, um, going through like getting outta my comfort zone. And so when I was, you know, gosh, when we first moved out here, I was in my early twenties and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do something every day to scare me and I'm gonna do something to get outta my comfort zone. Right. And so then it started with little things and then like big things. And it's like, you know, d different types of food and different types of ventures and dah, dah, dah, dah. And I just have always tried to push that envelope

Speaker: 2:10:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:10:32

Of like, you know,

Speaker: 2:10:34

if it scares me, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. And so,

Speaker 2: 2:10:37

and I'll be, and I'll be like, and what, where that has come up in business Yep. Is that like, I ran a marathon one time and I'm like, if I can run that, I can do this. And so I connect those. I'm like, I jumped out of a plane, I can do this. This is this, I can do this. And so it just expands that. And, and also when I die, I want to, on my gravestone, I want to be like laughed passionately, lived passionately, like, gave loved fully, passionately, like just all this like, did it passionately. And like when I am done, I am done. And I have tried everything. I've tasted everything. I've experienced everything. Yep. Because of that curiosity, I ran the race

Speaker: 2:11:13

all the way. Yeah. And like,

Speaker 2: 2:11:14

I, like I loved this life, you know, and did and I,

Speaker: 2:11:17

I just thought of something you might fear. Um, size That bottle that are on the counter is our infinity bottle. Oh, okay. And it gets a, a half shot of every bottle that comes through the studio. So there's Oh dear. Rye whiskey, there's tequila, there's gin, there's bourbon in there. Um, okay. If you wanna do a quick toaster, the cool kids do it at the end of the show sometimes. I mean, I'll,

Speaker 2: 2:11:36

I then let's

Speaker: 2:11:37

do a half shot. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm in fear not.

Speaker 2: 2:11:39

Fear not. Let's do this. Um, it doesn't seem, uh, it doesn't seem that bad.

Speaker: 2:11:48

No, I mean, it's not that bad. It's actually given the fact that it is a concoction of at least, oops, this one's got, so it's not gonna,

Speaker 2: 2:11:55

so it's not gonna taste like, uh, uh Oh. What's the butter? The peanut butter one.

Speaker: 2:12:01

Oh, the screwball

Speaker 2: 2:12:02

the screw. It's not gonna taste like

Speaker: 2:12:03

screwball. No, it's not gonna taste like screw ball. That's, that's just a little wee. We taste there for you. I'm

Speaker 2: 2:12:08

just saying like, that would be, I, I, I should have brought some,

Speaker: 2:12:10

it would be nice if it tasted like screwball. Um, but you'll, the biggest thing I, I, I taste the bourbon and the little tequila and then the gin. Yeah. I, I taste the floral tequila. Nature. The gin shines through the Right. Cheers my friend. Cheers. Thanks for being here.

Speaker 2: 2:12:23

Yeah. Thanks for having me.

Speaker: 2:12:27

Hmm. It's not, you're getting a little squi.

Speaker 2: 2:12:34

Okay. I feel like a dragon now.

Speaker: 2:12:37

A ninja mermaid dragon

Speaker 2: 2:12:40

with a

Speaker: 2:12:40

squirrel suit. Tell the, tell people. How do they find, uh, talking with Terry is, uh, do they go to the YouTube? Do they go to, your website is the best place. Go to website, go

Speaker 2: 2:12:50

to the website. Everything's hosted there. Talking with Teri. That's TER i.com. Mm-hmm. And then foot, you can find me on all those socials.

Speaker: 2:12:57

Cool. Would you like another, um, you what?

Speaker 2: 2:13:01

I'm not sure what that was, but um, I will kindly respectfully pass. Okay.

Speaker: 2:13:06

Well, we'll save some for future guests. I

Speaker 2: 2:13:08

mean, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be selfish.

Speaker: 2:13:11

Thanks for being here. Thank you. Cut. Speed.