BONUS EPISODE | Aaron Everitt & Emerson Everitt join The LoCo Experience to talk Election 2024! - Live during the Election Coverage!

Today's episode features regular guest Aaron Everitt, along with his 17 year old son, Emerson, discussing the election coverage and election season of 2024.  We started at 7:30ish PM MT, and called it a night by 9:30 PM MT as it became obvious Trump was going to be #47.  

Aaron is a highly-acclaimed X.com creator of independent material, including a series of 100 essays on philosophical and economic topics, many of which supported the candidacy of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.  He and Emerson were able to spend an hour with the then-Presidential candidate in Denver, and we spent time talking about Aaron's journey going from frustration with the candidate Trump to optimism over the team of leaders who have joined his campaign.  

For your Host, I was a first-time Trump voter this year, after voting Gary Johnson and Kanye West the past two elections.  I voted for a major party for President for the first time with this vote, and did so both to acknowledge the coalition of leaders, and also to punish Democrats for obvious lawfare, suppression of free speech, and a very non-democratic primary selection process, including the black-balling of Kennedy, and the installation of Harris.  

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Let's have some fun. Let's have some fun. Welcome to the Low Cove Experience Podcast. On this show, you'll get to know business and community leaders from all around Northern Colorado and beyond. Our guests share their stories, business stories, life stories, stories of triumph and of tragedy, and through it all, you'll be inspired and entertained. These conversations are real and raw and no topics are off limits. So pop in a breath minute and get ready to meet our latest guest. Welcome to the Low Cove Experience Podcast. welcome back to the loco experience podcast. I'm here right now with a lonely hipster and, uh, cool. Kennedy garbed individual, Mr. Aaron Everett. Yeah. And, uh, we're gonna try to figure out how to get a microphone set up to allow live spaces interactions. Um, but in the meantime, Glenn, I'm gonna go ahead and, uh, ask you to Not speak yet, and I'll let people in if they want to come in later. Yeah, cool. All right. Thanks. Well, Aaron Why don't you just introduce yourself and Emerson a little bit talk about your journey? Yeah for sure and I'll get the other microphone out Okay, sounds good. Well, so Yeah, you know, this is interesting. I haven't done a spaces before I've never hosted one. So this is kind of fun Kurt and I go way back. We're We're friends. Gosh, I want to say now Getting close to 16 or 17 years, Kurt, when I was building houses years ago, Kurt was my banker. And, um, and we just got to be good, close friends and kind of realized we had, uh, some very close connections, both in just the way we thought about life and, but also just, uh, what we thought about small business and our town and, um, Kurt's kind of single handedly, uh, One of the most valuable people in relationship to small business in Fort Collins just Uh very wants to see that succeed wants to see that do stuff So he does a podcast called the loco experience, which is really a great one He kind of does long form conversations with small business people in colorado, which I think is uh, just It's just, they're always fascinating shows to, to listen to. You can get it on Spotify or, or Apple Podcast. But we've gone way back and done a lot of different things. And so he said, well, you know, it'd be fun to do election night together and kind of see how things turn out. And, um, and so, yeah, we, we decided this, we would do this one and I thought it'd be fun to do a live spaces. So we're figuring some technical stuff out and trying to figure out how to make it work. But, um, you know, I, my journey to Kennedy starts probably, um, What? What are you doing? I would say, I put this in one of the last essays that I did, my journey to Kennedy started in 2020 when, um, you know, I thought Trump, In 2016 was actually, uh, I thought it was actually a really good presidency. Somebody kind of jokingly, I mean, it was Tucker or somebody tonight was jokingly saying he was the best president of the 21st century, which doesn't, it's not long company to get involved with. They're all sort of not great presidents. If you look at who they are, Bush and, uh, and, and Obama, and then moving into Trump and then Biden. So you don't have a long list of people to be involved with. But I, I got really curious with the Liberty Movement in 08 with Ron Paul. I thought he was awesome. I thought he was a really significant, uh, person in relationship to talking about the individual rights and freedom and liberty. And I just, I was very involved in his, uh, kind of his initial run in the primaries that didn't think he was going to win, uh, didn't think America was in the mood for that. And at the time the Republican party was. A very war mongery sort of place. And so, uh, you know, it just, it made sense that it was going to be one of those situations that it wasn't probably going to work out. But I did love Ron Paul. Thought he was a really fantastic person. We, Trump was good. I thought he was a good president. I, I, I wasn't, uh, I didn't love his tactics and I certainly didn't love sort of the bombastic, uh, Aspects of who he was. And so I, I wasn't a huge fan in just in relationship to him as a person, but I've always kind of said, you don't, you're not voting for a Valentine, you're voting for policy. And, and I thought, uh, generally speaking, Trump, Trump was better, um, kind of all the way around, but all that said, uh, 2020 shows up and COVID happens. And I just watched a man get totally rolled. Uh, by the bureaucratic state in a way that I hadn't really seen. I mean, I, they came pretty hard after him. I thought, uh, the, the stuff with Fauci and some of the other stuff was just, as much as it was, uh, you know, the bureaucratic state taking control of the government. I thought there was something else more there too, in terms of just their ability. They didn't think they were going to beat him fair in a fair election. And then I thought they felt like they needed to get him out of there. And I think, um, I think that's been the case. I don't think, I don't think the state likes Trump. I think they don't like the fact that he's an outsider. I don't think they like that he hasn't come from government. And if you really think about the number of presidents we've had, Trump is, like, one of the only people that's ever come from the private sector to be president. Everybody else is either a politician or a general. And, um, and that's been very true the 20th century, and I think, um, pretty clear that, uh, all in all, that's just been a really, uh, consistent piece of who he, who he is and what's going on there. It's, they don't like him for that. And they don't like that he's, uh, that person. So, but in 2020, I got really disappointed. My family went through some pretty strong struggles, uh, with COVID. I got four teenage kids. We're all locked in our houses. Um, I didn't like the people. Some people were called essential. I didn't like that. Some people were, uh, you know, that we, there were just arbitrary rules. If you walked into a restaurant with your mask on, you were okay, but you could sit down and take your mask off. It was all, it was all illusionary nonsense, but put your mask on, but put your bag, bet you go to the bathroom. You know, it was just, it was plexiglass everywhere for no reason and a huge burden on small business. We talked about that so many times during the podcast during that time, you know, there was just It was just an undue burden on the American people and in so many ways. And so I got frustrated with Trump and I. You know, my wife is a researcher by nature, uh, that's like her main thing. She fell deep into podcast land and got way into the Dark Horse podcast and some of the other stuff that we're really asking good questions about medical freedom. She found Children's Health Defense during that time and, um, that's how we found Kennedy. And I just got really enamored with him as a candidate before he was a candidate. I got enamored with him for his sort of conviction to stay. Really firm about, uh, what he thought and what he thought about, um, the whole, you know, nonsense and just being convicted about, Hey, the constitution is written for hard times. It's not written for easy times. I've always loved that line of his. I think it's, uh, it was great. And then when he announced he was going to run for president, I actually said, I will absolutely switch and try to make him become a Democrat. I'll become a Democrat, which I've never been. If I need to, to try to help him win the primary, I knew Joe Biden's cognitive situation was not good. Yeah, I think we all knew that back in 2020. Yeah, we're like, we're hiding him in the basement, hiding in the basement. He's not coming out. We all know he's not in a good situation. How does he get any better over four years? You'd see him stumbling over the chair, you know, and unfortunately to the man, honestly, I don't, I don't really have never really appreciated Joe Biden for a lot of things. He's never seen a war. He doesn't like, I think it really evidences the, the Corruption of the bureaucracy, you know, when, when, when they, there was a funny video I saw today that replaced, uh, democracy with bureaucracy. They're trying to destroy our bureaucracy and we're not going to let them. And that was what knocked Kennedy out of the democratic primary is just the power machine. And it would have been so much better for them if they just had a primary, like a for realsie one and said, Joe's. Yeah. We're going to have a primary. And I think we would have been in a much better situation, uh, you know, and I said it all along. If Kennedy was the Democratic nominee and Trump was the nominee for the Republican Party, we could have an honest contest about what would be policy associated with the United States. And I thought that was a really important piece of it. So that's why I got involved with it. I thought I started writing, uh, I wrote an article for Free the People, which is a wonderful libertarian type of online deal about a declaration driven for RF, uh, declaration driven argument for RFK. I thought he was awesome and I was in. And I, you know, from that, kind of that moment on, I got very involved in the campaign. I never, um, I told the campaign, and I, I was approached by them a number of times in terms of could I do more video stuff for them or could I do more stuff? And I, I turned down all of their offers in terms of being paid for. You didn't get paid for all that work? Never. Didn't want it. Uh, felt like it was something that was really important. Yeah. I wanted to say what I wanted to say. I didn't want to be, uh, told necessarily what to say. Cause I wanted to give at least an honest assessment from somebody who was a fan or an advocate of the campaign. What is happening in the campaign. And so I didn't really ever want to, if there were things that he was going to say that I didn't like, I was going to be able to say that. Weirdly, all the way along, there were never, there were never things that he said that I didn't actually care for. I thought they were articulate positions. I thought most of the time, even if I didn't agree fully on things, Pro life person, believer. Even if there were things that I didn't think I fully agreed with in relationship to what his position was, I could accept the position that he had because it was a thought out. It was a pragmatic, uh, position. And it was practical. And he had people around him that disagreed with him. I mean, he had Angela Stanton King involved in the campaign. She's, uh, Like in Atlanta with a house trying to save black babies. So that's her whole motive, you know? So I think that's some stuff that I was really pleased with in, in relationship to him. And I would just, uh, was all in all the way. And especially when it was an independent thing, then it was, I was here trying to get people's signature. I came to your office to get signatures. Um, well, and, and, uh, I think it was interesting how, as, as you got more and more invested in the Kennedy cause, Um, I would say your videos, without them paying you, got more and more focused on him and then wrapped around that. And I think they became slightly less effective, at least for me. I was really into the, you know, taxation, inflation, freedom of speech, those kind of really topical things. And then when I, when I felt like I was being led to the river, I was like, I don't know, you know, and, and, and that doesn't mean I was opposed to. No, no, it just meant, you know, it felt more propagandal and it was, I think at this point as I look back, but given a chance to create propaganda and at least looking back on it now, I think, um, you know, there were things that I, When I, when I say this, it was educational propaganda. Exactly. And I think, you know, um, but, but here's what I, what I would say about that is that as I saw him try to analyze the positions, they were the positions I was willing to take too. And so it became really easy to just say, actually. If we're going to talk presidential politics, here's somebody saying something that needs to be in the conversation. Yeah. And when I, when I think if I would make an analysis, if Trump wins, which I think they will, Polly Markham says 79 percent right now. He moved past the Elon Musk prediction. So the, uh, the prophecy, which was 69, 420 classic, uh, Elon Musk deal. But when, when he's, I think when he started talking and saying the things that he was saying now, all of the sudden, if I think now the analysis will be both Kennedy brought independence to this race to help win. And I think the other thing is, is the conversation has dramatically changed. Oh, so much more focused on the budget. So much more focused on health and healthcare reform. It's truly, it's truly stunning. And if you really look at the campaign, what Trump actually had to chase in many ways, he had to go to the Libertarian convention. Yeah. Like, oh yeah. He realized that he had to build a coalition to have a chance against the, the War machine. Yeah. He needed, needed to talk about machine funding, about, he needed to talk about Bitcoin, he needed to talk about, but Kennedy was the one that was leading that. Mm-Hmm. He really was. Yeah. Yeah. He really was the one talking about those things. He was the one talking about war Ukraine. It was kind of like nato, kind of like Kamala has copied Trump on all of these Yes. Policy things like Trump kind of followed Kennedy in a lot of the. Absolutely. And I, and I think Kennedy has led the edge on that. And I think that's really the best thing that could have happened for America at the end of the day. Oh yeah. For him to influence the Trump presidency. Yeah. I mean, it would almost be better than if he'd won the Democratic nomination and had a Republican. Correct. House and Senate. You know, he can actually make more difference this way, potentially. I think if you make an empirical analysis, you know, just pragmatically about what happens in American politics, the truth is we get two parties. I mean, it, I wish, I wish that was different and maybe one day it will. Maybe. Well, the one party will win. Crumble another one tickets place like it's happened. Yeah, you may see that bull moose, whatever Yeah, you may see the wig party sort of disappearing that kind of stuff But something will the void is there and that really the system works with the that's how Congress works. It's how the Senate works It's how you really have these opposition and we really have to acknowledge that the the funding system is Wackadoodle crazy pants right now with, you know, in 2020 Zuckerberg pumped 400 million in Soros has pumped, I don't know how many hundreds of millions in, but also now, you know, Elon has not just pump money and he's like, I mean, yeah, he's like, where's your dark mega hats jumping up and down like a goofy autistic, uh, genius and God bless him. That goofy autistic genius. He tipped it. Well, you can't this election. Yeah. I don't think you could diminish the influence of X. I think it's totally significant. I think you can't diminish the influence of Kennedy. Uh, that's significant, more significant than I think most people will ever give it credit for at least on the punditry tonight, you may, uh, you may see some of that, but I think what's really great. And what I've actually come around on is watching Trump actually. Empower these people to speak as they wish the Tulsi Gabbard's the RFK's the Vivek's He has empowered them to speak On his behalf. It's the it may be one of the more brilliant political moves of all time too Which is that it became clear that we were electing a coalition of people a big tent was formed like Yes, we were not he was already talking about he was already talking about a transition team He was already talking about a cabinet He was already talking about these are the people that I want involved around here. I'm trying to remember the timeline when did rfk uh Effectively drop out and endorse Trump was that after the first assassination attempt? It was August 23rd So you had that you had it so really interesting if you go back and look at because Elon was on board right away He's like after that first attempt. He's like, okay, fuck this. They're trying to kill the Like, this is not free speech when they're trying to shoot him while he's talking. This is it. So you have, you have this, uh, yeah, you have the, this conversation around the VP at that point too, actually had, had kind of preceded that about, and actually Kennedy was in that conversation. Yeah. I know that there was a conversation, uh, you know, Kennedy wasn't ready for it. I don't think he was ready to do it. I have talked to different staff members along the way that we're in the Kennedy campaign. Well, and that's what Kennedy's point was, which is like, I know the vice presidency, which is they can lock me in my house and I can't do anything. And so he didn't want to be in that position. And there were people on the campaign though, that were like, this is a good move. You should do this. I'm sure. And I think, you know, if we look back all the way through the different stories, all the way through it, Jessica Reed Krause, who's awesome, uh, author at House and Habit. If people ever get a chance to read her stuff on sub sub stack, it's great. Uh, she and link Lauren really trailed the campaign around it. Link was actually on staff at Kennedy and then he kind of put the, The ball in motion to talk about having a conversation around the VP, and then went over to Trump's campaign when Kennedy said no. Gotcha. Gotcha. So, it all was there. You know, these conversations were all sort of hat percolating. He says no, JD Vance becomes the VP, then the assassination attempt. Yup. And it's all right in there. And maybe the assassination attempt was first. I think that was first, but. But then Nicole Shanahan really spilled the beans on a podcast. And so the week leading up to the 23rd. that was intentional? Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Why her instead of, uh, Bobby delivering that message? I think that was a, let's travel. Float the waters a little bit. There was a really excellent article from a staffer on Substack that talked about, um, some of the things that, that were going on. And really after the first assassination attempt, the real truth of the whole thing is the money dried up. The people that were on the fence about the whole situation moved to Trump and the money dried up. They're like realistically This is it. I mean, and so I think her going out and having that conversation, and this was in the article to her going out and having that conversation was to test what was going to happen with the donors. You know, if they got a reaction to that and we're like, no, no, no, you can't do this. What have we done? I think there would have been, you know, maybe some different thinking, but it was, there was a tribal. It was certainly a tribal and the donors kind of were like, This is a good idea. Alright, we're on board. Let's, let's make this happen. We can actually ship this. They might not donate to Trump, but at least they're Yeah. On board for shifting teams. We can figure this out. Yeah. And so I, I think that's what happened. And really from the 23rd on, and really on the 23rd when it happened, you know, and then he goes out and has this tremendous reception at the Trump rally in Glendale or in Arizona. Right. Fireworks and is incredible. Really one of the more epic moments in politics. Oh, for sure. A hundred percent. Like the crowd's reaction to. Rfk jr. Coming out on that stage was like, I can't imagine a more welcoming moment. You're like, this was my opponent a week ago, two days ago, two hours ago. Yes. You know, it was touching. And, um, you know, I, in that same article and I'll have to figure out, we'll, I'll try to see if I can find it so I can quote it later on as the podcast goes on. But, um, you know, he talked about, Look, when they played hero by, by Foo Fighters, he's like, we couldn't have afforded the lawsuit to play the song, you know, and that was real, that there was a real, there was a reality to the fact that even though Kennedy was doing really well, uh, Emerson, who's here with us, he went, we went down and got to meet RFK in Denver and we get to go to one of the largest rallies that Kennedy had. And it was awesome. It was really beautiful. Amazing. But we're talking about a Couple thousand people, right? We go into a, an arena of 17, 000 you know, Madison Square Garden, 30, 000 people, right? It's just a different ballgame. And it was, it was evident and recognizable that what the decision was, was actually a really wise one. I still think, uh, and I've said this a number of times, I think it will go down as one of the more noble decisions in politics. Pretty much ever. Uh, you don't see that happen. You see a lot of people stick it out till the very last and cause trouble. And you know, I'm, I can do this. I can do this. I, That the setting it down and, and, and Glenn has pointed this out to me before this, I, this wonderful line that Kennedy said at the end of his sort of, you know, suspension speech, which was, we have to love our children more than we hate each other, which is a lovely line. And actually Glenn had pointed out, it came from Golda Meir in Israel. That was one of her lines about sort of peace in Israel. What she had said was that. Glenn, we, uh, we actually can't hear you on the mics. We weren't able to get that set up, but we could interact with that. Um, but, uh, you know, that was that, that moment, at least in the speech was, um, it was just profound, right? It was just one of those moments where you looked at it and said, um, yeah, I think this is noble as to what he did. Emerson, I want to bring you into the conversation here. Can we meet you now? Sure. Uh, so, uh, aside from being, uh, Tech expert and a podcast producer. Uh, Oh, you've been following this race a little bit though. Yeah. Um, I've been watching kind of from the sidelines. I can't vote, so it's less compelling. Right. I mean, um, it's also less compelling. Like I know Colorado is going to be blue. Sure. So even if I did want to vote blue, to me, it doesn't have a whole lot of impact. Totally. Um, Yeah. Uh, I've been watching from the sidelines. Talk to me about, I guess, the process. Like, what are the things that, um, like, aside from, from RFK getting kind of bounced out of the Democratic primary process, which I thought was a serious mistake on the party's part, but then what, after that first debate, when Biden was out, and it was like, who's going to be in? Is it going to be Kamala? And then like, Beep boop boop boop boop. Hey, it's Kabbalah everybody. Um, what do you think about that? Well, I think it's a little dirty how they took Literally, they, they took Biden and overnight it was Kamala and he's like gone. I mean. But he's still the president. He's still the president. But he's. Not. Have you seen much of him lately? He's very gone. Um. I thought that was kind of dirty. Also, not having a democratic primary was really, is just, it's not for democracy. Um. You can't just say, well, this is who we want. So everybody else wants the same person, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's just not fair, you know? I mean, even the Republican party had a primary, but it, it was a landslide, but it was still, they held the primary. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought it was kind of cool. Frankly, kind of pussy for Trump not to Um, have a debate. You No, he should have done, he should've done the debates. You know, that's just kind of, uh, didn't he do Tucker Carlson? Well, he did, and you know, he, you know, and probably pragmatically speaking, he didn't have anything to gain by doing those, you know, he, he, he had 90% of the vote, right. All it was gonna be was a bunch of arrows coming at him. So I understand why he didn't do it, but at the time I was like, you come on, come on. Do this thing. But yeah, you know, you just, you bring up an interesting point about the sort of what I think they got themselves pigeonholed into, which was they couldn't run anybody but her because of the money. Right. You know, they, yeah. She was on the ticket. So that, so the campaign rules sort of led them into this place where this is what it was, which all went back to the fact that they just were not interested in having Bobby Kennedy on the stage ever at any point for any moment of the right. They were not interested in that. They have no, they wanted him nowhere. Right. If it was just, if it was Shapiro or some other candidates to replace Biden on a ticket, they'd have been up for that. But. Well, if they let, if they let anybody in, Dean or any of the other guys that were going to try to run, they had to let Kennedy on that stage because he was very popular. Yeah. And they weren't going to let it happen. Sorry, what were you going to say Emerson? Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, to his point, um, they're not letting like Bernie or anybody on there. Right. It's, it's literally just. Kamala, we're done, which is just, it's so hypocritical to say we're for democracy. Trump's going to crush democracy, but look away. We can only save democracy by suspending democracy momentarily, temporarily. This is a, this is interesting. Glenn just sent this and this, we'll do it this way through the podcast. Glenn just sent a sort of a Kennedy cohort. This came from American values and I'd, I'd seen this. This is actually the influence that the Kennedy folks are having on the election. Um, you know, in relationship to where he went, so Kennedy cohort gives Trump a big bump after campaign suspension. And this was really something that American values, which was the super pack that was supporting Kennedy, uh, what they kind of went, this is one of the things they, they put out and said, look, from our polling, this is what we're seeing, and he gave. He gave a 20 point bump of Kennedy supporters that that bump became 20 percent in Arizona. It became plus 20 in Georgia, like he's swinging this in such a man, Kennedy, like Kennedy's addition to the Trump team also made it that much more impactful for Tulsi to have her voice heard for Elon to have his voice heard. He, Michigan was one of the best states Kennedy was, was doing well. And he was, he was actually polling really, really well in Michigan. It was almost 25 percent in Michigan, 27 percent in some of the polls. He, his swing gave Trump plus 39 in, in that situation. So to say that he didn't have a dramatic impact on this deal, uh, would be a very big understatement. And I think, Making an analysis back that that will be the difference maker when you see Georgia tonight and you see the difference between 2020 and 2024, you have a 20 point swing in independent voters, right? So plus nine in 2020 for Biden. Now, Plus 11 for Trump in independent voters in Georgia tonight, at least in election and exit polling. I want to see some exit polling for one of my predictions is like the black male vote is going to be a really big deal for Trump, that gangsta. Um, and I'm looking at, uh, and I haven't gotten to that deep, but maybe you can, young Jamie Emerson. That's right. He's our Jamie, yes. Tatas. So, um, yeah, that would be an interesting one to look at. Georgia is 80 percent reporting and 52, 47 right now, North Carolina is 66 and at 52, 47, Virginia leaning Trump with 61 percent reporting 50 to 48. Virginia is leaning. Yeah. No. Yeah. The Polly market's looking like a landslide now. Kind of. It's 80, 84. 9 percent It looks like Pennsylvania is as well. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what I'm seeing? Uh, Pennsylvania, it just We're gonna call it tonight. You think we're gonna call it tonight? Boy, wouldn't that be something else if it did? That'd be nice. It'd be really nice. It looks like Maine is Because we're staying online until this election is over. Oh, and Glenn, just for for your ears especially. My, my fourth microphone is in my mobile podcast, studio Ambulance, 1989, Ford Ambulance Camper. And so I'm unable to figure out a way unless we steal Emerson's microphone. But that's, we could do that. I mean, we could, what we could do is, uh, if there, how many people are in the space actually? Well, there's idea. There's not that many. Okay, well, when we get more, maybe then we can do that. Yeah, I could. If, if you have it on your phone or something, I can hold it up to them. Oh, actually, um, yeah, I could, I could join the space on my phone and put it over there and you could be our microphone handler. Might be a little bit of a delay, but we'll see how it happens. Yeah, I've opened to the, I mean, this is already a shit show. Well, we didn't know what we were going to get into. So, Kurt, I want to, just for people to get a sense from your perspective, where, you know, where are you coming from on this, in this particular election? Like, we, we've talked about RFK a number of times in the podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you coming from? Um, You know, I'm, I, I actually, first time Trump voter, um, this election, I, uh, voted for, like, like Glenn, I voted for Gary Johnson in, uh, 2016, and 2020, I, um, you know, like you, I was just really disappointed by the way Trump handled those first six months, and so I cast my vote with what I thought was the biggest protest vote, I, I thought the way, Biden handled the process and the whole hanky panky with elections and social media manipulation and stuff was Tragic. Yep And I voted for Kanye West. Nice. Perfect. And so, you know, mostly because I knew that was like a protest vote. Even more than the Libertarian. Yeah. Um. Which we have the luxury of here in Colorado. Because you know it ain't going to make any difference whatsoever. We won't make any difference. Right. Totally. It's going to be what it is. But I've always been a more conservative leaning, I voted Libertarian a lot, you know, I voted for Perot with my first vote and have voted, you know, a short line on those and probably three out of four local candidates I vote Republican for, you know, in the Colorado vote. Yeah. Realm, if you will, I got a, I got a Benny Aste sign for county commissioner sign in my front yard. Uncle Benny. Uncle Benny. Yeah. He got another ballot too. That was a little bit interesting how he was able to do that. I might've swung the election for him. I won't be surprised. Well, people know that much more than they know his name. Totally. 100%. Uncle Benny's is a big deal around here. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so what did you think about the 2024 election and in terms of how we're getting to where we're getting to tonight? Yeah, I mean, I kind of like you reviewed it. I mean, the, the The coalition the building of a we the people kind of thing, you know Certainly, I've I haven't watched network TV in a long time So I wasn't like a Tucker Carlson fan or anything But I did tune in for some of his podcasts when he came on like your wife I was a follower of the dark horse podcast, which is really classical liberalism. Yep You know, and that's kind of the foundation and whether you call yourself a Democrat or a Republican, if you call yourself a classical liberal, I think that you're a thinking person, right? You know, but, but that's become so much more different than a liberal liberal, right? Yeah. The name means almost nothing. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, I, I'm a Christian, uh, like, like you and, and I also, you know, wrote a blog, you know, the 10 principles for your best good. Yeah. Instead of like the, you know, the 10 commandments because commandment sounds really harsh and whatever. Right. Um, but you know, I think that, I think that the U. S. Even for the gays and the lesbians and the freaky people, the US would be a better country with a conservative, Christian oriented stance on governance. Agreed. And so that's generally the way my votes flow, is for kind of maximum liberty and maximum trust, but also, um, That, that notion of let everybody be in the tent and be friends together, you know, I have a lot of diversity in my friend groups. It is, it is fascinating that that is what seems to have been built. You know, I think as you get to where we're, where we are today, when you have, uh, um, when you have, uh, you know, when you have all of these different people, That's a little delayed. Oh, it's way delayed. That's not gonna work. We're trying. So, you know, I think I this coalition that got built with all these people is this to me I'm anti war first and foremost, honestly, like that is my single issue voter. You know, a lot of people are single issue voters on abortion. And, you know, it's been a while since I could trust anybody to be anti war, but at least I've kind of come to trust Trump in that space. And I believe in RFK's ability to influence in that space. And obviously Tulsi, you know, uh, she largely got bounced because she wasn't willing to become a Warhawk Democrat in the new. Phase of their evolution as a party. I think that has to be the most, uh, fascinating piece of what's happened in the democratic party is if you back it all the way up to when the Clintons sort of became the machine and they got wall street money involved in their campaigns. Which was a huge part of how they won those elections. Totally. Perot was a big factor in that, but more so than that was their ability to raise money. The Democrats had always been the party that raised money from the little guy. Right. And unions and these things, and all of a sudden they had just unlimited funds from Wall Street people. And I think that just made, that has changed the party so dramatically. Now that, like, BlackRock, Vanguard, some of those power players. Own huge percentages of most every fortune 500 company, especially contractors and things like that. Like that's, that's the money to influence now. Oh yeah. Without a doubt. And you know, that, and that's what we need to do to fix elections in the future. We really need to do some sort of a limited public funding. I think, yeah, it's too, you know, I think, uh, Citizens United got one half of it right to me, which is that your money is speech. Right. You can't prohibit that, but you can't, you also have to have some reality to the fact that corporations cannot be people. Right, 100%. Those two things are incongruent with each other, and so I'm, I'm, I think Citizens United got portions of that right. Which was that, yes, your money is your speech. I do agree with that. But I also think you can't have the other side of that, which is, but, but, but. Also, corporations have unlimited because now we've got all these corporations that are on them to the same side of a fence or whatever. Yeah. Or limit their donations. The same amount I can get 3, 300 bucks, whatever it is, it's fine. But we can raise it to 10 grand even. Sure. However, whatever the number is, but you can't have the same, you can't have that happening. And I think that's really, um, that's the part that needs to get fixed. And I am just. You know, I never could defend Dick Cheney ever as a Republican. Never hated him. I mean, I was like, Oh, really dark. This guy yuck. We, we, he's our, he's our gravity. This is one of my favorite like old time Rush Limbaugh deals was he did a montage on the word gravitas and it was like one of the first times that the media you could see were getting all their talking points because Everybody was using it across the deal, ABC, NBC, CNN. They were all Dick Cheney ads. Gravitas, you know, where did you get that? Where'd you looked up it in the thesaurus this afternoon? Cause you don't even know what it means. You talking heads. And so when he, when he came on, you know, that was really just this, he was an indefensible person. Even then, you know, he had been secretary of defense in the, in the Bush first wars that you like your family makes a fortune from the, just indefensible, truly an indefensible character in the mix. So to be in that place, then all of the sudden where you, you're going. I've got to celebrate in the endorsement of this person. You're celebrating the person that even just when you were on the right side of that, which was that you didn't, you said that guy was Darth Vader and he was, and you defend you. Now you're defending him. The, the, the, The Babylon Bee, um, is always the best at that kind of thing. They should win the Pulitzer Prize. They really should. Um, they won, uh, what Diddy's ex girlfriend encourages public to trust her judgment when it comes to voting for president. Yeah, didn't Elon say, like, 90 percent of the people that are voting for Kamala went to ditty parties? Oh, God. Celebrities. Celebrities. Yeah, you can have the ditty list, I think. No, you know, there's, there was one thing about Kennedy that I was so, um, that I think he was really right about in all of this. In all of his campaign, which is that, look, if you can't have honesty in government, then everything becomes suspicious. Yeah. Everything. And that's really what the truth is. Like, right now, you have to be suspicious of everything. We can't trust elections. We can't trust, we can't trust what somebody says on TV. We can't trust, you can't trust any of it. You can't trust a government person. You can't trust your neighbor. Well, wait until AI gets a little more juicy out there. It's just really, really, really, uh, you have to have government tell the truth and there needs to be accountability to that. And that was another attractive portion of the, of the Kennedy campaign, which I think has like the Republican party has awoken to that thing. That government isn't honest, that the media isn't honest. And we've been saying it a long time. Republicans have been saying it. Conservatives have been saying it a long time. This is the first time that you've got a coalition of people that are saying, Yeah, actually, we know how it works, and it's all broken, and it's all wrong, and it needs to, it needs to be fixed. There's some fun posts about, uh, you know, if, if Elon Musk actually cuts a trillion or two from the federal government. Budgets, that's going to mean a lot of people's jobs are at risk. I love the, it almost like half the responses are maybe they can learn to code. So ridiculous. So you got a headline, Emerson. Yeah. Uh, what do we got here? The, uh, NAACP, um, finds that, um, their poll. Okay. One in four us, uh, black men under 50 support Trump. For president. Okay. For president, yeah. We don't have any exit poll data yet or anything like that. That's just the NAACP's poll coming out of, going into the election. Gotcha. That's I'm gonna say it's 32, 35. You think it's higher than that? I think black male vote is gonna be That's going to be the shock factor for the election. I think both, I did hear, uh, before we went on, uh, that the, the, uh, Latinos are up to 47%. 47%. Yeah, something like that. And that might be changed by now. But that's a lot. It is a lot. That has not been a part of American or Republican politics. I wonder if that counts the illegals? I don't know. I don't know. Or does it not? I don't know. So this is, this is the stuff that you know, you can't, you can't, we can't be in this position another election. That's why this becomes really critical. Right, right. It's one of the things that I think is, you cannot have a people that just get to come in and don't play by the rules. Well, let's talk about, um, one of the big issues that's going to happen after I think Trump's going to get elected here. What to do with those 15 million people? Um, and. That's a good question. Like. Any proposals or any thoughts, um, I mean you can't just like kick them all out That's not not in the media, but I think they should all be on like super double probation Yeah, you'd like you do any felony you're out. I've reported. Well, I don't mean to cut you off, but go ahead Oh, I was gonna I was gonna say I think At least for immigrants that want to stay. I think like a mandatory background check is in order because that's literally, I would say it's too hard to get citizenship. Didn't it take like mom 10 years? Oh, it's been, she just got her citizenship last year. Oh my married 22 years, how much money do you spend along the way? Well, over 10, 000, right? It's way too hard to be a citizen. So I get why people can be like, I don't care. Probably markets up to 90 percent I'm gonna pour us a bourbon. There you go. Not you ever you guys keep talking Yeah, well, and that's, that's how I think you fix immigration in the situation that we're in. Which is, look, you cannot, let's find out who you are, how you're here, if you, if you really should be deported, which you're talking about people that are criminals, the people that are, that have, don't, really, aren't. There's a lot of jobs in deportation screening. I think if you could figure out a way to say, okay, look, you guys that are here, we understand why you're here. And we understand that our, it's another, it's another dark indicator of our bureaucratic state, which is that the thing is too hard to do. My wife and I, it took us forever. And we thought we were doing everything legally the entire time. And, you know, with one misstep or one bad piece of paper, Suddenly we've, we're not there anymore. We, we actually aren't legal, you know, I can do a two year. I remember we were, yeah, we remember we were supposed to go on a trip to Mexico, uh, at one point and, uh, I didn't realize it was so recent. Well, this is like, you know, she, Oh, that she just became a citizen. Yeah, this was just last year. That's crazy. I would have called it, had her deported it when she made me mad. That was, she had, she had her green card the whole time. Right, but because of the process, because the time it takes, you had, you know, we get to the end of the first green card and they say, and we could have done some of this faster. Some of those like discouragement on our level, right? We got to the end of the first green card and it's, we're ready to apply for citizenship. And our attorney says, well, you're too close to the window now. But you can't apply until the window gets here. But if you do it, we need to get you another green card so that you can then be for sure apply for citizenship. So you really are ultimately locked in doing two green cards before you can be a true citizenship. If you want to be a dual citizen, which is what we wanted to have happened. Yeah. So, but all of that to say, we spent thousands of dollars. We spent years and years. If she had given up her Canadian citizenship would have been faster, could be faster, but still been in years. And it would have been paperwork. And the truth of it is, is like these four, the folks that are coming across the border from the South are coming here with just what's on their backs, right? They have no money. Well, that's the capability opportunity it is, is like we could be drafting for an NFL team and take in, you know, lots of, Educated African people and Chinese people and Ukrainians, you know, whatever. And there are people around. And even people that have wealth that want to come here and move here and move their families here and have their children educated in the U. S. But it won't be as easy if we Like don't have a border. Well in that you have this porous system. That is really just encourages and it's it's again It's the bureaucratic state to me that encourages the dis this like I got it. I can't I need the hope of getting there I know there's work there. I'm gonna cheat. Yeah, I can't do the system. The system's too punitive, right? Right. I just googled it and it sounds like the average amount of time is Five years to be a citizen you have to live In America for five years, and then you can apply for your citizenship, which can take up to 24 months. So you're seven year process. Yeah. It's a seven year at the minimum or the on average, at least. Yeah. And that's true. I think if you could, I, my proposal for immigration, which may or may not be a good one, but my proposal, at least having gone through the process was, could you, uh, if, could you register people to know that they're here, background check, if they, if they don't belong here because of criminality or prior criminality. Or whatever you're disqualified. You don't, you don't get to come, but if you really want to be here and you want to work and you want to be a part of our system and you want to become a part of the American dream, we register you. We find out who you are. We find out where you're going, where you want to be, who you're going to work for, what your plan is. You used to have a local sponsor, like you had to have a person that basically vouched for you or would let you live with them or something. And then you, you are, you cannot get on. assistance. Yeah, no government assistance. You can't get on assistance, and you can't vote for, until you're a citizen. Yeah. But you're on a path to get there. Yeah. But, and you can be here, and you can work, and, and, but you, it's a one sheet of paper that you fill out. Right. It's not, our stacks, we, we literally went. It's like a car loan application. It is, we went. No, that's what it should be. It should be. It's like a car loan application instead of like a mortgage closing. Instead of a car load, that's what I thought you said, a car load of papers. Yeah, just like a one pager, you know. Yeah, we, we took. Boxes to the immigration building. And then I had an interview and felt like we were criminals for sitting there and hearing about different things. So is it a pretty, a pretty tough situation? So, yeah. So I'd like an update on the map. So where it looks like things are looking pretty good for Trump tonight, but what do you see in there? We're currently sitting at a one 98 for Trump. He looks really good in the, uh, the Senate. I mean, he's already 47 to 36. Okay. Um, and the house too is also House is moving in that direction too, so 126 to 88 so far, and we've got Pennsylvania's Is like rapidly flipping that's the only one that's interesting really steady Because it's going back and forth. It's going to Trump and then they do another county then it's Kamala then it's Trump What are you seeing in Maine? That's that's interesting that it's not called yet. Well, Maine's only 8 percent Oh, it's only 8 percent Okay So that's the thing some of them look differently up there. Yeah Same with Minnesota, it's only 3. 3%, okay. Oh, yeah, that doesn't really count. But it looks like they've called a few things. They have not called New Mexico, which I think is, uh, telling. New Mexico, they It's kind of flipping, too. Yeah. Which, I'm not surprised by that, actually. New Mexico's a fairly Libertarian state. They're the ones that are like Gary Johnson. So I could see that. I could see that being a place that would, would be struggling to be fully, deeply blue tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the main reason to support Trump is liberty. Kind of right. That was the proposition at the end, right? I mean, that's really what he's come up with is. It's this, the choice is we'll continue on as an American system. Almost said empire. Carry it, continue on in the American system with there are a constitution, the rules and free speech, first amendment, those kinds of things, or you have the apparatus that runs the show. Do you think if Harris is elected that they would add to the Supreme court? Oh, yeah, I would. Or at least if they had the ability to do so. I think they would make the attempt. Can't do that by executive though, right? No. I mean, FDR tried. Right. Uh, but he didn't. So there's precedence and failure of that already. Which is probably good from a court basis. I feel like the two worst things that can come out of a Harris presidency is we go to like war with Ukraine for whatever reason. Well, yeah, end of Humanity is, do you think that's bad? Well, I think war is bad in general, but I, I could definitely see, uh, her saying we're going to Ukraine. Yeah. Um, that, and then she wants to, I don't know if you've seen her saying that she wants to police the social media platforms. They all have to follow the same guidelines. Yeah. Yeah. We have to hold these platforms responsible for the hateful content that they put over there. Um, that's just, she's just saying that because she doesn't like what they're saying about her, honestly. I mean, it's, yeah. Well, and I mean, that kind of goes back to, like, freedom of speech has been a thing for a while, but it really didn't get Come to a boil until that, uh, 2020 COVID kind of season, which was everything they did was unconstitutional at that point. Sure. Everything. You can go through all of the amendments and find out where they screwed up, including the 10th, which is you don't have any power to do any of this. Right. Right. Well, in the, you know, in the first amendment was totally, you know, right to assembly lights of first amendment. Freedom of religion. You know, they shut down the churches and kept the liquor stores open, all that kind of narrative. Terrible. I mean, absolutely terrible. And you had an, you just had such imposition on everything. You had improper search and seizure. You had, you had all sorts of stuff like confiscation without due compensation or it was awful. It does look like, uh, this is kind of new news. I'm seeing here. It does look like Ted Cruz won his seat in Texas, which actually was a tighter race. Democrats actually had projected that as something that they could pick that one up. Uh, that they thought they might be able to pick up, but it looks like he's kind of handily won that now. So, um, so that's interesting. Um, looks like just initial stuff, Georgia's still looking very good for Trump. He's up by four points, Georgia. And George is, um, close to, it's about, uh, it's 88 reporting, 88%. What's our spread on votes, Emerson, between the two, between Trump, how many, what's it? 160, votes. Oh, okay. Well, I think, I think they only won it by 10, 000 last time. So, uh, Yeah, Georgia, one would think it'd be pretty well in the bag. Um, how many, uh, that was another Babylon B headline is, uh, uh, Leading Democrats warn that the race may not be called until 110 percent of the votes have been counted. I saw that one. The other one I liked was Democrats warn that we won't know who won the election until four years from now. Votes may take four years to count. Uh, it, it's sad. We, that party should not. It's, it's, it, it will go down. There are some very fine people that still remain in the Democratic Party. Absolutely. And it, and it, and it deserves a better voice than it's, than it's awarding itself. Yeah, yeah. It really does. I mean, it's not, you do need two healthy parties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need robust ideas to come to the surface, which is, which happens in independent politics. And that's the, the best kind of independent politics that we're sort of enabled to have in, in America. Because if we have a very, you know, Close Senate and you have a close house and you don't and it isn't run by the loudest voices. It's by the same people that actually want to see something happen. And I think you, you advance agendas at that point. Um, significantly what you're, what I think you'll get out of this is a reaction to the Democratic Party. That's so negative. And that they will, yeah, anybody that seems like they're the establishment is going to be castrated. It's not going to go good. I just really don't think there'll be some like, you know, lucky for Josh Shapiro, he got passed over for VP pick, right, right. Because he might have a future in the current party because he's a pretty rational guy. Uh, in contrast to some, I do think this is the end of Harris. Oh, for sure. Like, I don't think she, I don't think she has a future. She can't even get an administrative assistant job after this. Never was qualified for it. I'm sorry for those of you that hear this and hate me, but I just It's so sad. I want our first female president to be a really inspiring woman that got there on the merits of her intellect and her compassion and relationship creation ability and strength. Yep. Thank you. And, and just, there are, without question, highly capable women. Yeah. You know, in every I'd have voted for Tulsi Gabbard as a Democratic ticket over Trump. Totally. You know, cause she, I believe her just as much on the war stuff, and she's gotten herself quite a few economics lessons since she was first in Congress. Well, and I think you look around at the, the voices that are women in the Democratic party that, that have, Almost moved themselves. You know, I, AOC is an interesting character to me because she's one of the people that came in sort of future. She does. She has, but she's, she plays off as if she's this extreme radical. And then ultimately plays along to keep her seat. And I, and I think that will need to end at some point. Like I would not mind AOC's voice in Congress at all. I think she's a better voice for real people than all those other white castled followers. Totally. You know, but, but if she plays along in order to get reelected, cause she likes the cushy seat. Yeah, she'll find herself just like that other dude that got beat by her. Was it by her? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And he'd been there forever. 30 years. 25 years or something. Loses his seat because she's actually saying what matters to the people. I have this very good friend from New York, Jack Buckbee, who we We've done some podcast stuff together. People listen to that Jack's premise, which I think is one of the brighter premises of the entire election was that what's happened is the radicalization of our country has happened because the politicians do not listen. They don't give a voice to the people in the places that are most hurting. So their only choice then is to radicalize and get louder and scream louder and more, you know, Exacerbated in their, in their choices and bombastic in how they treat their neighbor and all of that stuff. And I actually think that's really a very brilliant point, which is that what we have happening to me in American politics is not, it isn't as divided as everybody thinks it is. You know, if, uh, if Trump can do some economic incentives to onshore. manufacturing and business of different sorts into these inner city type neighborhoods and Give you know black white Puerto Ricans Haitians whatever Somalians actual chance to get some decent jobs and a chance to Have a pathway out of a relatively hope limited situation in the beginning. Yep that would be like even as a libertarian I approve that kind of spending because right now the Like, there's food deserts and freaking job deserts galore. Well, and I would say And we can incentivize companies to try to get rid of that. I am, as libertarian ish as I am, if you're going to have government Mm hmm. Then it should be good, right? Like it should be effective on some level and it should have something. I'm not necessarily in favor of figuring out how a bureaucrat should make sure that somebody in, in Philadelphia qualifies or doesn't, but I think if you could, if you could reappropriate monies back to the United States through Trump's tariffs, you know, what he did with the steel worker thing actually. Like those steel workers actually felt an impact. They knew who's side he was on. Hey, we're going to get American steel to come back. We're going to do this. This is a part of it. He's moved these working class people back to, into the Republican party, because I think they recognize like, okay, look, that was maybe some temporary pain, but what it did for American steel. was huge, and this idea that we're all going to just sit in cubicles and design the next intellectual piece of property that the Chinese will have right is really a bad choice for the United States. We need to be met. We need to manufacture actually make things. We need to make things. We're better people when we make things 100 percent period. Well, and like all the tech companies in the world won't grow any food, won't heat any houses, won't build any houses, won't, you know, they can educate some children or help do it and stuff. But like the, the necessities of life, a lot of those companies, uh, you know, the, the fangs and the, the influence companies aren't really. doing anything good for us. They're, they're taking away from our ability to raise a garden, walk around the block more, enjoy our time with our children, playing music, whatever. Well, and when you're making things, it encourages you to do some things that are really important, which are. But you then start to think about raising your own food you start to think about how do we we do something here? Where we actually are utilizing the resources we have for the people here. Yeah, we're not doing any of that You know, we really aren't we aren't doing anything for our people Yeah, and, and we're not, we're not looking and it's a slogan, I suppose, on some level, but America first slogan really does come down to who are you putting first in your priorities and in the way in which you do things. And we're a punitive system. They take 50 percent of your money and ship it overseas to people all around the world to blow people up and kill people and do terrible things. Yeah. In order to then, you know, as Mitch McConnell says, so that we can, that's really good for us. So we can bring it back here in our defense contractors. Right. So we can read this broken glass fallacy. When we say we're sending 200 million to Ukraine, it's not really 200 million in money. We're just got some excess inventory of bombers and bombs and stuff. It's, it's terrible. And I think that's one of the things that, uh, you know, I, I just think it would, it's, it's something we need to get fixed and how we treat things. And I actually think Trump is moving in that direction. I was just trying to see, I saw a quick flash of the New York times, uh, their little needle thing. Um, and I'm, but I've got to sign up for a thousand apps cause I haven't read the New York times in like however many years, cause it's a terrible rag. Um, So anyway, maybe Emerson, you could look up the new yorktimes. com and see what the election needle looks like. They have a little, well, you know, the one on Hillary the night that she won in 20 or she was supposed to win in 2016. She was at 90 percent when the night went and the needle went back all the way the other way. Obviously it looked like the needle was moving very red all of the sudden, and it does look like, uh, yeah, there we go. Okay. None of the swing States are called, but what are, what do we got, uh, in terms of our newspaper ads. The pop up ads are nasty. North Carolina's 81 percent reporting now in Trump's at 50. 8. That's pretty significant. Yeah. That's, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good numbers. And I don't think Appalachian is in yet and I will imagine that will be one that will be very stiff for him. I would hope so. I would imagine. I certainly would hope so anyway. Um, Yeah. So it's it's This looks good. Oh, Michigan is tipping Trump now. Michigan is with 49. 1. That's interesting Well, what's interesting too is Currently is Trump and they've done the big cities in Arizona they don't Phoenix's in are that what what can you see on there? Look that Robert Kennedy's got 0. 5 percent in Michigan. Does he really? Oh What is it? Uh, 6, 000 votes. Did he get that many? In the, in the blue, does it tell you how many? It doesn't give you county by county detail. Um, how is Carrie Lake doing there? Does it say in the Senate? Oh, I think she's got it. I saw something where she was like 53 or something like that. Does it say what the Senate, it would be in the Senate races. I'm in the Senate races right now. Um, it looks like, uh. She's behind. She's behind, yeah. Oh, she is. Interesting. She's not a good candidate. Um, you know, that is another thing that I think may come out of this that I would be very encouraged if it happened, which would be the sort of diminution of the Laura Loomers of the world and the Kerry Lakes. As much as I think they try to stand and be what they are, the reality is, is they're bombast. Is the worst kind and people don't respond to that. Trump gets away with it. Cause he's funny, right? He really, yeah, he gets away. He likes to come across as being mean. Kind of, there's a meanness to Laura Loomer. There's a meanness to Carrie Lake that I don't think is it's not positive. Where Trump can be kind of what he is, but he can crack a joke and get the whole thing. Laughing again, totally. He's really good at that. And as, as because she is dumb, you know, anytime, and he's, you know, if you listen to the Rogan podcast, he was three hours of wandering and rambling and all, but it was, it was great because he's funny. You know, he's got some funny things to say and he's, uh, he's, he's more charming. In real life than I think these other people are. So I do think that even though what, what I hope you'd see more of is the Rhonda Santas is the JD Vance's who have Trump instincts about the country, but can articulate it in a way in which they come across as charming. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think you'll see that happen. Uh, I think the people who are just the, the kind of in your face, You know, that, that isn't what, that isn't why Trump is winning. Yeah, totally. He's not winning because he's punching you in the face. That's not why he wins. No, no. Well, and he's softened. For sure. A lot, you know, like with the inclusion of all these other voices, he's, It's even though he still says things like, most important election ever going to be the best four years of the history of the United States, you know, all that kind of stuff. And that's silly. Um, and you know, that kind of thing actually makes a difference for a leader. It does. Even if the data is like, Oh, yeah, you, the economy grew at 2. 4 percent instead of 2. 1%. You're like, well, he's. He loved to say that he had, you know, this giant landslide in 2016, which he really won the whole thing by 80, 000 votes or something. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't this massive landslide. It was surprising. And the college is a winner take all thing. So it does, it does make sense, but I think, um, I don't know. I'm, I'm encouraged so far and it feels really, it feels really positive. One of the things I wanted to share was that as of right now, the national popular vote is. 41, 500, 000 for Kamala and 47, 083, 000 for Trump. So 4, 000, 000, 3, 500, 000. He needs to be 6, 000, 000 higher almost for Trump. He needs to be up by almost 8, 000, 000 when we get to the West coast. Yeah. Oh, is that right? Okay. He'll need to be up by about 8, 000, 000, which may be possible. Uh, yeah. I mean, that would be. It would be good for the country. I think so. Like, even for, like, there's gonna be Um, mental health crisis, like, uh, we haven't seen ever before. Who was saying that the other day? That was, I thought that was somebody like Tucker Carlson, maybe, or something? Oh, it was, uh, it was Mark, Mark Halpern, actually. Oh, yeah. He was saying that. I think he's right, actually. I think so. One way, either way, that this went was going to be pretty troublesome. I think Republicans probably would have taken their ball and con home a little bit with a little less Yeah, we know they're cheaters. So you kind of, you know, whatever. I'm not even a Republican, but There would have been a fight, I think, to some degree, and it would have gone to courts and whatever, but I think you take your ball and go home. I think there's truly a sense that this is now, we've elected Hitler. Oh, yeah. In so many people's heads. And the not my president movement will be, like, extreme, and, you know, and, like, I hate it when the Republicans or the Democrats have all three offices. Um, and it might be better, like, especially if we've tried to build some efficiency, is to have some consensus. I hope so. I mean, I, um, Cause it used to mean that when the Republicans have offices, we were going to go spend a bunch more money on war. Like that's the way I was conditioned to believe as a young, starting to become a libertarian, you know, heading toward the Ron Paul days. Yeah. Um, and so I was cynical about it. Yeah. Well, I think I'd rather have those loggerheads. Those were real. Yeah. Now, you know, you know, I think if you could, if you could get enough people that were saying in there that would say, look, we're not going to war and we need to reassess everything, NATO, we need to reassess our conversations about. What, what are we doing with our bases in 180,000 countries, or there's not that many countries, but, you know, let's, super 10. Maybe we should have some strategic places around the world that look at and say, okay, this is probably good. You know, we have, we have some, we do have some reaction time here. We do have some, we have interest around the world, and we should probably be thoughtful about those things, but I also think we, we don't need what we've got. Right? There's no way we need, well, and probably rather than us paying nato. They should pay us. Oh, a hundred percent. Like to put those boats in those bases and whatever. Like we can, we could be a contractor for you and I don't know. I don't know. all you motherfuckers could and that, that actually sounds like a terrible idea because then now all of a sudden we're like, the Empire Right's gonna pay us for protection. I feel like kind of already are though, right? We are. We already are. You could be a benevolent dictator or we could have World War. What do you want? Yeah, I do think. NATO is a massive issue that people don't talk about enough. NATO is one that NATO is even worse than UN really. Yeah. And it really needs to be addressed to the point at which we say, look, we are not, we are not going any further right now than Germany or Poland, whatever that number is, you know, whatever that, where we're not going any further to the East. The whole provocation is about that. Yeah, yeah. Period. A hundred percent. It isn't about anything else. We, we said we weren't going to do it. It was the deal at the table with Gorbachev, with Jim Baker. I mean, when we, and we literally. Um, orchestrated a coup in Ukraine to oust a Russia friendly president that was democratically elected. So, so then you go, well, why did we do that? You know, all these things, but it really was about NATO. It was about NATO. It was about expansion to NATO. And it was about getting more money given to this situation. Well, because all those NATO countries have to buy airplanes from our airplane builders and bombs from our bomb builders and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's, uh, it's very real. And so I think, um, do you need to take that call from your brother? Uh, I think so. You can step out. It's cool. You can step out. We've lost almost all of our listeners on Spaces by now. Yeah. It's just my wife, Glenn, is here still. Hi, Glenn. Well, uh, that's all right. It's a long conversation. Um, yeah, I, I think, you know, it's pretty, you I do think what we're seeing is a really positive thing for our country. I really do think so. I think if we can get to where we're where this actually goes in Trump's favor Which it looks very promising tonight so far. Well, and hopefully he doesn't become a dictator on day one He's like Tulsi Bobby, all you guys, thanks for being useful to my cause of getting me elected. You know, if you think about one of the, one of the most irrational moments, I think in this whole Trump derangement world and land we're living in, I think one of the most complicated pieces of that to me is he did have a term already. Yeah. And none of that happened. And, and if really, you know, you were talking about a. dictatorship type of situation, America could have been much worse during COVID. If you look at Australia, if you look at places around the world, the UK, other places that were really harshly locked down, uh, Italy, those other places that were just clamped down in a way, China, all of that stuff. We, we didn't, we tried, I think he tried his best as he could. I don't give him a ton of credit for it, but I think in some instances, I think he had enough instincts to say like, Hey, we. Can't do all of this right you want to do I think one of the things that's going to go down as part of what swung this election is like that. Don't tell me what to do stuff like that. The Barack Obama chiding the black male vote for not showing up for Kamala. Yeah. I bet it was a five, 10 point swing in the black male vote from that like, Oh, bite me. Well, how insulting do you, can you get the way the Democrats, the Democrat, and I don't, this isn't the average rank and file Democrat. I'm not speaking about them. Democratic leadership treats their voters as if they're infantile children. Um, and that they need to obey and be obedient to the situation. And here's what we're going to tell you about everything that's happening. This guy's this, he's Hitler. He's all this stuff. Yeah. If they wanted to talk about issues, take it on, but they, but they couldn't get any traction because all the issues were already taken by Trump and the team they'd already been taken. Oh, I'm not going to tax overtime either. Oh, I'm not going to look silly taxes on tips. So by the la, by the time Childcare tax credit, same as yours, just a thousand dollars more. Here's, I still amazingly, as long as we, we have this terribly long election season, it's too long, two years for, you know, tomorrow morning, somebody's going to announce they're running for president. It's just how it is. That's American stuff. But truthfully, American elections are still one in the last two weeks of the campaign and without question, Trump was better in the last two weeks. For sure. And like You know, Harris had the pop right after she announced and she was leading in a lot of the polls a bit and stuff. And it started going the other way and Harris team panicked and started trotting her out to unscripted podcasts and events and just a little sample of that and people are like, Oh, she's done. I hear Jack had a really good point, which I think is a defensive Kamala in a sense. And I think it's a hard place to find yourself and it probably is real. She can't say what she wants to say. So she, because she knows that what she wants to say is even more destructive than her not saying anything. And I think that's probably real. You know, I think that's probably accurate. Like, she really actually wants to say the things that she was saying when she was running as a primary candidate back against Joe Biden. Yes. Like, we're going to take their guns, we're going to have to raise corporate taxes, we're going to stop the fracking, we've got a green new deal. All these things. Yes. One of the most telling ones was when she was asked about corporate taxes the other day on one of these interviews and she, you know, they, you can almost see this sort of light bulb golf. She's like, well, if you don't have the reporter said, well, if you don't have Congress, how are you going to raise corporate taxes and do some of these things that you needed to cooperate with? And she's like, well, well, we have, we have to raise corporate taxes. Like, well, that's not the question. How are you going to handle this? But I don't think she can under, like, I don't think she can say out loud, like, well, we're just going to make it happen. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think that's, uh, It's not possible also. It's part of the problem. Yeah. So, yeah, I do think, uh, Well, it looks, It's also interesting to, I mean, she's changed her position. Oh, on everything. Over four years. She's from California! Yeah! I mean, she's literally changed her position. Like you look at her from like two years ago on the border and she's like, we need a wide open border. We're going to look at the root causes of it. Yeah. And then it's like, now she's like, we need a system. We need to close the border. It's so like, you see it a lot in politicians too. The closer they get to the actual election, they start saying the things that the people want, right? They're not just like, well, this is what. The radical side wants it's what did the actual people want? Well, and I love the I mean, I don't love I hate the Know that we're making fun of Democrats recently I'm sorry for all your Harris voters in Colorado. You can hate me if you want to but the like accusations if Trump is elected he's gonna weaponize that the Department of Justice against his enemies Yeah. Okay. Like you just did for four years, you know, like, like they got a 500 million civil suit for filling out faulty financial statements on a loan that had already been paid back in full. Yeah. Or a series of loans. Right. There was no victim. Well, here's the interesting thing. Can't bring it back to the Kennedy campaign of being an inside observer of that whole. Silly terribleness, what they did to him in state after state to sue him to get off the ballot for no legitimate reason. And if they had just listened for 10 minutes, they would have found out that what he was, they should have stolen all his ideas instead. Well, they would have. So let's say he runs independent and he's still on the ballot and he's still got 20 percent of the vote. What he, what they would have, if they would have listened for 10 minutes, would have found out. Most of his voters, the majority of his voters were Trump voters, right? And they would have helped her win the deal, but they're too prideful and too arrogant and too full of themselves to ever get to that place. And so they, they sued Kennedy and Shanahan and thank the Lord. They just decided both of them. Scorcher thing. This is it. This is not my party. This is not who it is. It's not where we are. I'm done Yeah, they just let it play out a little more. Yeah, probably ROFK wouldn't have swung us He would have just kind of backed out. New York was a big one. I think totally it's his home state Yeah, and they accused him of not being a citizen of that home state because he's married to his wife and they live in California Right now he's lived there for 40 years. His birds are there. Everything is in New York, you know You Yeah. Okay. So is it irrational to think that he has to keep a residence? And it's the same thing. It's, it's the, it's the using the, the department of the state, the, the, the enforcement arm as a weapon and the weaponization of. Law is just such a terrible precedent. It's terrible. And I think when they did that to him in New York, that was the end. Yeah. He was like, okay, so I'm going over here and it's going to cost, you know, you know, I heard Dell big tree at the independent national convention down in Denver and it was really, uh, Which was kind of a heartbreaking convention in many ways because a lot of us had looked forward to that It was sort of this Kennedy was gonna speak. He was gonna be the first it was like Labor Day right after it right into September So we were really all excited about it. A lot of people had booked their tickets and kept getting these notifications. He's cancelling and But Dell was there who was his communications director And he said, you know, I was in the room with all the weight of the world on one man and To make this decision, knowing that it was going to probably destroy friendships, relationships, and he still made the decision that he made, which speaks so much to the character of Kennedy, to me, it really does. It was, uh, and you know, I didn't love it at first. It was like, gosh, we worked so hard. We got all these things, we did all this stuff. I was disappointed. Almost like at the beginning of your very last essay, you're like, okay, well, Um, here we are, I'm getting ready to, you know, recommend you vote for Trump for president. And here's, you know, kind of a summation of the, the story of why, um, and I don't think like when we met, frankly, we've been meeting, you know, at least every three to five months, uh, for the last couple of years. And so that's like maybe three podcasts previous, probably until. August, neither of us thought that we would vote for Trump. No, I knew I wasn't going to die hard for Kennedy. I mean, I'm like, he was, he was the most exciting candidate of my lifetime. And, um, you know, there's a lot of heartbreak in it for me in the sense that I think he should be president, but I also am a pragmatist. And I think when I really look at this whole thing, I would say, If this goes the way it's going to go tonight, and he's in, and he's in Washington, he will be, he will be much more effective in whatever position he's in than he would have ever been as president. Oh, totally. If he had, um, not had that pressure of forcing a coalition to win. Um, and what's so funny is, even back in, like, March, April, And shame on me for my ignorance, but you know, Kamala was like, whatever, a 29 percent approval rating vice president and stuff. And I was like, you know, it seems like they're going to dump Biden. And, but it feels like Trump would beat Kamala by even more than she would beat Biden and then boom, not true. Like it was a much closer race like there's some people that say, oh, I wish we had Biden back or something like that I doubt it. No, no, no, but the the the female vote and the like I I had a I had podcast guests recently 240 something men and they were both like, you know, I'm voting for Harris because I I want my, you know, I'm honoring my wife's wishes about, uh, uh, women's body and my daughters. Uh, and that, and so there's still single issue voter, like dudes, 40 something year old professional dudes being single issues voters, uh, when they already have kids and stuff. It just seems so weird to me. The thing though is, um. With Trump, he's not even trying to change abortion. No. Like it's not even an issue. Well it shouldn't have ever been a federal issue. It was always supposed to be a state issue and, but nobody knows that apparently, you know. There's so much. Yeah. That. Propagandizing around that notion. That's a really sad one to me. I mean abortion sad generally speaking. Understand in a country of 350 million people you're going to have existential, you know, or extenuating circumstances that are not describable. Yeah. It's not, it's not a thing that you can then for. Manage on that level, but almost every federal scholar ever said it should be at the state level. Like, I mean, I'm sorry, every legal scholar ever said it should be at the state level from a constitutional basis. There's no really, there's no reason it's not here. You've made this up well, and it should also be what the abortion activists said. Back in 1977, you know, it should be rare, legal or whatever, you know, and reluctant, like the fact that the democratic national committee, they got like an abortion wagon in the back in the parking lot or some shit. Like, it's really crazy to me. Like that, that becomes this sort of, it, then it says to people, abortion pills, it says good, good, kill babies. Yeah. And it says to people at that point that what's more important is, is this kind of, uh, Celebration of something that at the, at the end of the day is really tragic and it should be between a doctor and a woman that should not, you know, that's their, it's their situation. I don't, I'm not a fan of abortion. I don't want, you know, I don't want to do it. I wouldn't want anybody that I was close to try to talk them all out of it if I could was country again another thing because we spend so much money on war. Yeah, we don't have the resources to help those women that actually get into that situation. We don't have anything to help them get out of it. Well, I sure don't want to throw women in jail if they cross the Oklahoma State line to go to Kansas and get an abortion or whatever. Like I'm not up for that. And you cannot be pro war and anti abortion. Mhm. You can't say that you want, that you want to go blow people up overseas and that's the right thing to do and kill people and then say at home, but I'm pro, I'm, you know, I'm pro life. Well, that's, sorry, that's my biggest problem with like the majority of the conservative, like A lot of people, the hawk part, the neocons. Yeah. Is there like, let's go to war. And then they're like, but we got a band. You've got to pull out all those stops to ban abortion. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. It's like, okay, so killing overseas is okay. But here, yeah. Brown people, it's okay. Yeah. Really sick. Well, and especially when you look at abortion stats in our country, it's like, Oh, brown people are okay. We can kill them. But. It's really, it's really tragic. So I, I think, uh, you know, this will be an interesting deal to see what happens. I, I wish people fundamentally understood like, look, not that you need to leave the place you live and not that everybody, but we need to do more in terms of resources. If we're going to do this, we need to figure out how to provide resources either at the state level. We need to provide resources at the federal level to say that there's something that we, this is an objective we have, which is that we would like people to have babies. And it would be. It would be good for people to think that there was actually a consequence to doing the, you know, the, the woo ha and the whatnot, right? Like it isn't really a sport. Also, even for, you know, whatever. Yeah. But, and also, you know, in relationship to that, I think abortion is one of those issues that has been used so dramatically to divide American people. Yeah. That they can't see past it. And you're seeing the illustration of it in this election, which is like, you know, we just, I'm going to hold on really tight to this idea that this most important thing is this thing. And if you asked somebody in this voting for Harris, I think what they would tell you is that's why they're voting for Harris. It's either it's not Trump or it's abortion. Those are the only, those are the two things you hear. I would agree with that. And I don't think that's a, I don't think it's a platform to run on. And I also don't think that's anything very valuable in terms of like how to govern a country, you know, I don't think. Well, and realistically, how many, you know, if we had a hundred people in the room right now, how many of them would have been impacted by an abortion decision over the last 12 months? Three. Yeah. Maybe five. Yeah. Two? I don't know. Not 20. No. You know, not even close. And I think it's disingenuous to think that that's really, like, that this is the only way that the federal government has any say in your life. It's abortion. Right, right. You know, they ruin your life in a lot more ways than that. For sure. Taxation is a lot more miserable in so many ways. And it's more impacting for a lot more people. Totally. And I think that's, that's a, it's a, It's something that they use, and it's another great line from the campaign that I really loved out of, that Kennedy said, and I have started to hear it being sort of said within the Trump world now, which is, uh, hey, you know, the king and the queen come to the edge of the citadel and they look over. And as long as the people down below are fighting, they can go back inside and pop champagne because they know that they're not in danger of losing their power. The uh, the Polly market's up to 92. 9. Yeah, I think it's Trump's night. We can call it almost. I think it's Trump's night. I really do. It looks really positive all the way around. I got 20 bucks coming to me if he gets 300 electoral from my uh, exchange student. Where's he sit right now? 210 is called. 210 and I, uh. Uh, ran the meth, I think, uh, 1 91 if with Harris having California, uh, Washington and Oregon. Okay. So she's really tech, so she's really at 1 91. Yeah. Idaho, which is three or four is how much is Idaho right now. And e electoral votes hit on Idaho here. Yeah. This one, it's not called, what's the total on the, on the electorals two 70 to win. So, and then two, that one. How many electoral? So 2 69 plus two 70. Okay. There we go. Four. Okay. So he's gonna win Idaho without question. So you're got, uh, he's at two 14. Oh, and I added, uh, Nevada too. Uh, Nevada's a swing. I don't know that I would go there yet. I went off of, uh, 2020. He's got, he's got Nevada, I think Trump wins Nevada. Okay. So then that's, I don't know. I mean, that's a swing though. That's one of those, that's the thing. I gave it to her. Oh, you did? Okay. So what I'm saying, so she goes to 1 91 and what's that? What's the rest of the number? I don't have my calculator on my phone anymore. So Trump to be at 214 and then, uh, Colorado being light blue is interesting to me. I am really fascinated by this. Oh, it's dark blue on my map over here. Have they called Colorado for him? Uh, I think they have. That's a lot closer than I thought it would be. Um, well, I mean, 5543 here and that's still closer than I thought it would be So they've called that for her how about New Mexico, what are we sitting at New Mexico's looking blue It is. But I don't know by how much. It's about, uh, it's about 50, 000. Yeah. How many precincts? So it's 45, 52, 66 percent reported. So yeah, she probably wins that too. Um, he's looking pretty good in Arizona. Looking good in Arizona, that's good. That's a good one, that's important. Um, there's California, yeah, there we go. Yeah, so the polls just closed. California just got added on there. Yeah. So I, it's 179, 214 in the moment, but yeah, what are you doing? If you, if you do the math and give Harris the Oregon, New Mexico. Oh, Virginia is tilted blue now. So what's, what's Kamala's number then? She's sitting at the AP is sitting at 179 to 214. Yeah. So 270 plus 269 is the, um, 270 plus 269, is that the total number? Is that right? I think so. 270 to win. 270 to win, it's, yeah. Is that right? So 269 is a tie. And I had her, yeah. They just added California, which is why I bumped up like crazy. But, if she wins the whole West Coast, which I would imagine I would assume so. Yeah, he needs to really win Pennsylvania. Um, And some of the other states. Trump does, you mean? Yeah. So you don't, you're not calling a blowout in the electoral college yet? No, no. Um, even though poly market is up to 92. 3 percent on the general election, I wonder what they have for electoral over under. Need to find something out about that. Um, so I'm probably going to lose my bet on the, The 300? The 300 electoral for Trump, seems like. I mean, the tough thing is, Well, You, like, other than the west coast, most of it is red. I mean, it's looking pretty much like a landslide. Right. Just, So North Carolina has got 16, which would put Trump up to two 30, Georgia, 16 up to 2 42, I think. Uh, Pennsylvania is 19. 19. Yeah, so that's 2 42 plus 19 is 2 61. Michigan is tilted his way big time now. Holy cow. 100, 000 votes. It's only 27 percent but Well, Wisconsin's so we 60 percent to and 261 plus 15 is 270 Weight 261 plus 15 is 276 Wisconsin is 10 to 86 Minnesota is 10, 2 96. Inso Arizona is 11. That would be 3 0 5. Yeah. That's, so you, you might win your bet. I might win. My bet. Yeah. What are we, what are we saying here? Um, 3 0 5, if from, if you wins all the current states, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Arizona. Yeah. Which, right now, they all look pretty pink. And that's also, that's if he doesn't win Nevada too. Which has not, hasn't decided. Yeah, Nevada could still flip Trump. Yeah. I think that's very possible. When Alaska's gonna go Trump. Yeah. I don't know, so probably only three or something like that. Yeah. Glenn just sent a polymark it at 94. I didn't see that. That's great. It looks pretty positive, I don't know. It looks, I love Glenn. Harris can't get a lunch reservation. Oh, that's great. So yeah, 92. 5. I do think we're in pretty good shape. Michigan's looking interesting. Oh yeah, this whole Midwest area. The blue wall looks, uh. Yeah, the blue wall got conquered. It's looking like, I mean, Michigan's only 28 percent though, but. I'm still surprised they have not called, like, Minnesota still seems pink. Yeah. Well, it's 11%. Okay. I mean, they're taking their time in Minnesota. Oh yeah, right now it's Donald Trump at 60%, so they haven't gotten Macy's. No, they haven't got to Minnesota, they haven't got to Minneapolis yet. Yeah. Um. So, he might not get Minnesota. Oh, I didn't think, I didn't count Minnesota in my. Tally either did I I don't I don't think 12 percent Interestingly, so AP is not called, Oregon Which is interesting too because usually that's just an automatic. So what are we looking at in Oregon? Well, it's only it's 5938 right now No, he's, he didn't call it the entirety of the West Coast. I think he's, he's going to lose all means they go blue. It looks like they did, uh, 18 and only 18 percent also Maine is they do it different. That's there. That's right. It is a portion districts. Yeah. So they cut it up into, uh, it is. Which actually, um, somebody was trying to, uh, I don't know. We were with Sawyer and somebody was trying to like, um, get a petition to run our state like Maine does. Oh yeah. Apportion districts, which I would be in favor. So I do. I'd say here's another fix. If we're going to talk about fixes to American politics. You have to uncap the house. We've talked about this before. You have to uncap the House. You have 000 members or 10, 000 members or something. If you do that, the Electoral College becomes very different too. Because the Electoral College follows the number of House representatives as well as Senate. So if you ended up, you'd have a Can't do that. directly, because then those little states wouldn't have dick, like, like if, if you got 500 house representatives and only two senators, well, but let's take a look at Wyoming. It would probably be still in relationship or to a portion relationship. If you looked at Wyoming, which has 500, 000 people and you took it and you said, look, a district is 30, 000 people, which is really what it should be. You're talking about. Whatever that is, that's 10, 12 districts. That would also be 10 or 12 additional points to the electoral college. So the proportions would stay relatively similar. Well, yeah, but this, I guess the Senate would still be the bulwark. The Senate is still you, the way that it was designed was that the Senate would stay to, yeah. Yeah. So there really wouldn't be any change to the electoral college. Well, there would be, there would be more, but you'd also see, see, that wouldn't work because right now, like North Dakota has. To senators and probably to representatives now maybe the four votes. Rather for electoral votes But then North Dakota would have not very much the representatives the enhanced Uh, like you'd have to almost count the Senate votes 10 per or something like that. Cause otherwise all that, that influence of the, of the small state Senate stuff is going to lose out in the electoral college. You're going to get pivoted the other way. Well, that's why you had at the beginning of the Republic. That's why you had five people in the beginning that all are, were from Virginia. You know, or whatever. Right, right. That's, like, that's what happened. And then, and eventually, you started to see that, that, that, That was where the population density was. Yeah, that's where, that's the, it was the largest. Yeah, but, but in, in what you're talking about, if there was, like, say, California, you know, how many people does California have? 40 million or something? That's a lot. So you'd have, what's, yeah, 40 million divided by 30, 000. So, like, they would have a double buttload of electoral votes and only two senator electoral votes. True. True. But you'd also have, you have, so you have 38, 30 8 million in California. So let's just say they have, they'd have a thousand representatives. Yeah, yeah. 1200 ish, whatever. So yeah, a lot. A lot. And Wyoming had how many? 12, 500,000 people. So divided by 30, 30,000. So it, but they're nine or no, no, 19, 19, something like that. So I don't know, maybe it's not a fix, but we'll have to work on it. A little bit of work on the details of that, but I, I don't know, that would be, it's one of the complaints of the electoral college, which is that, you know, the small states have way too, they're, they're overly disproportionately representative now, which I probably agree with that actually. Yeah. And it's. It is for their own defense, for sure. It is for their own defense, but I do think they're probably, you know, California in relationship to the number of people that live in California, Wyoming's Wyoming's vote becomes each person in Wyoming has a lot. They have a lot of say in relationship to the electoral college. 93. 8 on poly market right now. Um, should we make a decision? You're, you're right. Your, is this your friend or another son? This is my brother. My youngest son. Yeah, youngest son. He's just here. He came to listen to see how he was doing. He was curious about the election, so I said, come by. Very interested. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. It's up to you. We're do you? Yeah. How, how long do you wanna stay, I guess? Yeah. I, I, it's a call. I think it's a, it's an interesting thing that's happened. I think. I feel like Trump's in pretty good shape. Yeah. So, we'll see. Yeah, we could, I mean, we can do an amendment in the morning if Harris wins or something like that. We can come back tomorrow. I'll be much more angry if it happens. I was just looking at the Senate thing. You know, aside from Arizona where Lake lost and then Maryland where the Democrat won by like 51. 8 on the Senate, the rest are all pink. Uh, I don't think those were changes necessarily to the Senate where I don't, I don't think so. I think the Senate was Carrie Lake was not the Senator in, uh, no, she was running to try to unseat him. And I don't know what about the Maryland, but I would assume in Maryland that was not a Republican Senator. No, I can't imagine. Um, um, yeah, I don't know who, yeah, they're all close. Uh, Mike Rogers in Michigan. Oh, yeah. 50. 1%. Okay. Well, that's good. Actually. I mean, I don't like Mike Rogers a ton. I, I had hoped for Justin Dimash. Okay. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's sweet. But, uh, but whatever it at least in Montana is going, uh, testers 56 percent of she, um, so John Tester was the Democratic. Yeah. Senator from Montana. Who's, who's running? Tim Sheehy. Oh, okay. I don't really know him. Uh. There's an independent, Dan Osborne. Dan Osborne. Yeah, is he in Nebraska? Yeah. Actually, I'm curious about that race. What are we seeing there? He's got 50. 2 percent. Does he really? Yeah, against Deb Fisher at 49. 8, the Republican candidate. Oh, interesting. That's a really interesting race. The other one I'm interested in is Dennis Kucinich in Ohio. Okay. I'm curious how he's doing. Um. I wonder if he won. He, Dennis, Dennis is one of the most principled people you'll ever meet in your life. Uh, he was RFK's campaign manager to start. And he was, uh, Was he governor race? No, this would be a house race. And he was, uh, interested in being, he was running as an independent. And I'm curious how he did. Oh, interesting. Um, Kucinich is a really good man, uh, he and Ron Paul were the Dr. Nos of the House. Oh, I like it. Totally opposite sides of the, of the deal. You know, Kucinich comes from a pretty liberal life and, you know, what he thought government should be able to do and what he thinks government should do. But, uh, He and Ron Paul were always on the same side about war. They were always on the same side about money. They were always on the same side about, uh, a bunch of things, which is really, really interesting. I don't, I don't find him. I'll look it up real quick while we're to and so, um. I'm finding a couple of, uh, Ohio House races, but not the Kucinich ones. Let me see. New York Times. Why is this still even on my phone? Okay. Um, So Emerson, uh, is this your first time on a podcast? Or have you been on your dad's podcast or anything like that? I believe, I think I've been on my dad's. We did the, uh, book one, didn't we? Yeah, I've been on his podcast once. Yeah. Uh, yeah, this is like my first time really being on a podcast. Long form action. Yeah. Um, this is new, so. Sorry we lost so many people from our spaces during the course of this conversation. Well, next time we can figure it out. Uh, it doesn't look like Kucinich is going to pull that off, but uh, looks like a Republican will win that seat. It's interesting, that's a, uh, That's a seat surrounding, uh, he was, I thought that was Cincinnati area looks or Cleveland. He's South of Cleveland. Kucinich is, and he'd always held that seat actually as a Democrat. Um, but it looks like boy, Ohio has turned pretty red. Goodness sakes. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. 600, 000 vote lead there. Yeah. I remember Ohio wasn't too long ago, and that was one of the very swings. Bush, very struggled. It's also 90%. Reporting to so it's not like it's early. It's Pennsylvania 57 percent reporting and it says 73. Oh, well How many votes apart are they Oh, they're just updated for me the same Yeah, almost two hundred two hundred thousand two hundred thousand part. Yeah. Okay, so Pennsylvania is looking pretty solid at that point Well, they only Take a late dump. Yeah, well. Let's see if they can bring the pickup trucks in. With all the stuff. They got the ballot stuff. Yeah, that's the saddest commentary on America. Well, and like We need to fix it. Try to pass laws to make it illegal to record voting ballot drop boxes. Make it illegal to show your ID when you're voting. Uh, none of it makes sense. Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah, most people that are from, like Alternative worlds, like, uh, you know, if you use alternative was other countries, right? Even I'm sure aliens, I'm sure people from weird places. Most of those people are like, you don't show your ID to vote? Right? What? Yeah. Like we were just listening on the way over Puerto Rico. They dip their thumbs and die. Right. Well, honestly. And it's all paper. Yeah. Why are we not doing? I mean, I. Don't disagree with that, because it would make an effective audit. Like, Jill and I used our mail in ballots, and just filled them out, and I just dropped them off this morning, actually. I like to be a day of voter, it's kind of fun. But, like, there is absolutely zero guarantee that somebody couldn't have come and grabbed those ballots out of my mailbox, filled them out. Sign my name to it. And I would have been like, Oh, did we even get a ballot? You know, especially if you went to places where they haven't voted for 20 years and they live there for 20 years, you're like, Oh, they won't miss these. Well, I have to, I mean, I have to actually say this because it actually happened to me, which is, you know, we have a house in Glenwood. Oh, yeah. Which is district three. And we have a house. We live here. Oh. But I got a ballot in both places. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you vote for twice? No twice. I Didn't but I you know, but you I turned it back in but how many people didn't for sure, you know I'm not sure I wouldn't have voted twice. I just like I forgot, you know, I don't know. I still have some Well imagine if you had But you know, if you, if you had nine properties around the state, well, you'd get one at every one of them. You know, the other, the other aspect to that is like, if you, if you think about it, if you have created a situation in the press in that this is the most existential threat of your lifetime, it's Donald Trump is, is Hitler, right, made that correlation. Would you not look at that and say, the moral, the moral choice for me is to vote in both places? Yeah. No, yeah, for sure. And vote Harris. And vote Harris in both places. I mean, I've got to, you know. Like, I am saving the republic because of this. Now that we're here, um, what would you say, uh, are the odds that Trump, uh, is inducted into the office? Or will he potentially be assassinated before taking office? Oh, I can't say that. I mean, I don't know. I know. It's a hard question. Uh. I hope he's not. I mean, I hope that that's not the case that, that obviously, uh, you know, but we have in that case would, uh, Vance would be the president. Yeah. Yeah. That was part of why he picked Vance. Cause it's like, you want, you want somebody worse than me? Yeah. Go ahead and suck it. I think it would, uh, sorry, I get a little naughty sometimes. It's uh, I, here's what I would wonder if. What you'll see is just a list of obstructions. I think for the next couple of weeks, you're going to just see reporting of all these, Contesting of different things, abnormalities. Look at these, it just didn't work and this didn't happen and all these things happened. I think you'll see that. I think you'll see a lot of screaming. I think you'll see a, you know, and all of a sudden it'll be okay to contest elections. It'll be okay to protest the electoral college. It'll be okay to say we shouldn't certify the Electoral College on the day of it's all that's going to come back like it did in 2016, it will be a Russia's psyop. This is all Russia doing this because they want to end the war. And we really the noble thing to do is continue in Ukraine. All of that's going to happen, I think, out of this, sadly, shouldn't be the case. But yeah, the other piece that I think will be really, really fascinating. I said this earlier on Twitter tonight, which was If the media, which has made it into the screaming lady, if the media has done what they've done, which is try to make this into this, you know, 0. 006 percent horse race for what it is. And X has been really close and is closer to what's actually happened. It is the end of like, they should never be listened to again. You should never listen to ABC again. Trump just went up to two 30. What did he pick up? Uh, he finalized North Carolina, I'm pretty sure. Oh, they gave him North Carolina. Yeah. That's big. Yep. That's big. And Georgia's Georgia will be finalized pretty soon. Yeah, it's uh, 51 48. How's Pennsylvania looking? Where are we at? Uh, pretty good. 51 47. And how many votes apart are they? Uh, about, uh, what? 30, 000? Yeah. Okay. That's pretty good. On yours. Yeah. The other 70, 76 percent reporting. Oh yeah. So we've got on yours. How many you have? You're at a 51 48 basically. Yeah. 51 48. Yeah. And the spread is almost 200, 150, 170, 170, 000. Yep. So it looks pretty positive likely and Michigan too. It's only 31%, but it's 52, 46. He doesn't need, if he wins, if he wins Pennsylvania, he doesn't need, he only needs, he only needs Arizona. Oh, he doesn't even need He doesn't need any of those. He only needs, he only needs Arizona. What if he does win these though? Then it's, then I get my 20 bucks from winning. Then you get your 20 bucks. So let's do that math. Pennsylvania's the 20 what? How many is it? 20? Pennsylvania. Uh, Pennsylvania's 19. 19. And Arizona's what? AZ is 11. And Georgia is what? Uh, Georgia is 16. So if you take 16, let's do that math. I got it. 16 and uh, 19. 19 and 11. Yeah. So 46. Plus 130. Uh, 230. 276, so he wins. So if he basically secures Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona Yes If he wins those, he's, he wins Yep And I, I think, I have a strong feeling about Arizona Because it's Even though it's only 50 percent reporting, they've already done the big cities. Phoenix and Tucson are in. Um, Yeah. That's interesting. It's actually kind of a criticism of Carrie Lake, right? If she can lose while Trump wins. Uh, yeah, it's still, politics is still about the Canada. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It needs to be, you coattails of somebody. And Trump is illustrating that I think really well. Like he's, he isn't a wildly popular guy. Yeah. Yeah. He, he isn't. He's built enough people around him, again, I still think that's one of those coalition moves. This coalition of Trump and, uh, with all these people around him. And putting those people on the road for the last month. Oh, in Tucker's roadshow? Oh my gosh. How influential is that? Oh, with, uh, you know, everybody from freakin uh, who's the crazy former drug crazy dude now Christian dude? Um, uh. British dude. British dude. Crazy. Russell Brand. Russell Brand. Tucker's conversation with Russell Brand was too good. Like think about how many people that, like, I'm not saying that Russell Brand influences how people vote, but it opens the door for people from a totally alternative lifestyle to be both pro MAGA, MAHA, and, um, Christians, frankly. Uh, that all the shitty things you've done aren't really gonna be held against you if you take the right perspective on it. I have, I've said it, we did this Maha Voices series, which Glenn was a part of, which was really cool. Yeah. Which was 13 stories of people that were Democrats that moved to vote for Trump and actually volunteered for Trump. We had people actually volunteering, knocking on doors in Arizona. One of my favorite is Scarlett. She's a, um, she's an Asian Chinese American. And, um, she, is, has been every weekend driving to Nevada and Arizona to go knock on doors on campus for Trump. Oh, wow. Because she, you know, she knows California's fait accompli, so she's, she and friends are loading up a car, driving over the pass and going over to knock on doors to see if they can get Trump elected. It's a really fabulous story to go from, Um, you know, I'm, I could never vote for Donald Trump. I had one lady was like, I was Trump derangement syndrome. I went home on 2016, cried, you know, teary, terrible, horrible deal. And I'm now volunteering for Trump. Like that's the span in eight years to go from there. That story I've said all along as we were doing that, that one of the things that I thought was most important is to get people, you have to give people in electoral politics permission to move. You have to be able to say, I can do that too. I can vote for Trump too. I can do that too. The Russell Brands, the, the people that Tucker brought on stage, the Nicole Shanahan's, when she brings out and says, even though the novelty of my own name on my ballot, which won't make a difference in California, I'm voting for Donald Trump. And cheering, you know, that gives people so much permission to move the needle and say, okay, I can do this too. I'm not, I'm not the pariah because Trump has been so vilified that if you've ever said out loud that you're voting for Trump, you lose everything. I mean, there's no, there's no Trump signs in old town for where I live. No, there's a. Not very many Harry Balls signs, Harris Walls signs, I'm sorry. Um, but not nearly as many as there have been in the past. Um, one more topical thing I wanted to ask about. Um, What do you think about the impact and the motivations of Washington Post, USA Today, LA Times withholding their endorsement over the last week? And and I want to say that from two perspectives. Yeah, like the cynical part of me is like Maybe Donald Trump actually is some kind of a Hitler and they're just trying to make sure they're not on the wrong side of him After he gets in the office, right? They may have that perspective. Yes, they may or maybe they have the perspective of God freakin Kamala was a terrible candidate and we didn't even go through a primary process to get her in there and she's Going down and we're not gonna be part of it. I think it's part of that. But I also think You have like, they have lost their credibility and to say, she's going to win by a double now. Yeah. Um, I think at least this next, I'm going to say most likely when Trump wins, um, this next four years, they're going to try to either a regain some of that credibility or be just don't care and bury themselves. Uh, Which is probably what will happen, but you could fix the Washington Post. Mm hmm If, if somebody gave me the keys to the castle. They're closer. If, if you, if you gave me the keys to the castle I could fix the Washington Post in six months. You could restore credibility in six months. Hire honest reporters to go do investigative journalism about the government. That's what the Washington Post is there for. Right. It's 100 percent of why that paper exists. Well isn't, yeah, that's the origin, right? Especially for the Washington Post. It's the Washington Post's heritage. Right. It's like, this is what you do. You go do investigative. Tell us what these motherfuckers are doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do it! Like, you could fix the Washington Post in six months. If I was hired and they said, Okay, here's the keys to the kingdom you have, you know, And actually, you need to cut your budget in half. I could still do it. I could still figure out how to solve that pavers problem. And it really would just come down to like, Okay, who wants to do investigative journalism? Yeah. Who wants to go do the deal? Actually unfold who's influencing this legislation and that one and who's Yeah, yeah. No, I dig that. And so I think the non endorsement piece, At the end of the day, which I know this probably too well because of situations I have found myself in in my life in relationship to Jeff Bezos. The reality is, is that guy is a business dude and he's brutal. Right. He's a brutal businessman. Ruthless. He knows what he's invested in needs to be fixed. Yeah, and I think at the end of it That's what is really hot happening Yeah And I think he's gonna say like we don't endorse and we don't do this because I need to clean the house of you people Who are sycophants? Yeah, who won't do this? Yeah, so he's not dumb Do you think he accidentally had the timing he did or no, he knows what he's doing. Yeah, he's He's way too calculated. I'll just, I'm going to leave it at that. He's never been snuck up on by a surprise, hardly. No, no, he's way too calculated on what he's doing and what he is. And I don't have any inclination to think that this was all just like one afternoon. He walked in and was like, you know what, guys, we probably ought to not do this. Right. He knew when he was doing it and why he was doing it down to the nth degree of what's going on. And I think, um, I think the post. I think the press in general is going to have a massive, uh, comeuppance in relationship to Twitter. Do you think they could fragment again? Oh, I hope so. Like, they've rolled up the whole, all these local newspapers and stuff. Do you think it could be more of a viable business model if you re localize newspapers and that kind of thing? Well I mean, it wouldn't have to just be newspapers. It'd have to be community building. Ray, you'd have to have that purpose of actually place making. doing? Yeah, what are you doing? What is your purpose? Yeah. If you're the New York Times, then tell us what's going on in New York. Or whatever wrote I, you know, the AP UPI stuff is the worst thing that ever happened in news. Totally. It's the worst thing that ever happened. Totally.'cause pretty soon the, the Colorado one had 89% of the same content as the Portland Sun, as the Minneapolis. Well, the only thing that was different was the obituary Right. And nobody, neither classifieds for a while while those lived still, you know, before Facebook marketplace. Yeah. You watch what's happening on Substack and you look at people like Jessica Reed Krauss in House Inhabit, which I think is like the model for how you do investigative, interesting journalism. Between her coverage of Johnny Depp's trial, between her coverage of the RFK campaign, her coverage of Trump in this election, what she did to build her brand, to have 400, 000 subscribers on Substack, where she's making money doing that. She's found a way to show that you can do this. You can be an investigative journalist. You can be an honest journalist. You can do journalism, which is as Tucker Carlson says, stick your head out the window and tell us what's going on. It's not, it's the easiest job in the world is what he said. If you do that, then you can actually make a living at this. Because it's honest, you know, she, she didn't shy away from what happened. She didn't shy away from the scandals. She didn't shy away from the stuff that was troubles. She didn't shy away from the good stuff. She didn't, she didn't, she wasn't afraid of being sort of flatterish of both Trump and RFK. She was never afraid of that. Right. She did all of those things. She took great pictures. She took great, she had great stuff on Instagram. She won. She won the day as a journalist in elections. She won this election for herself. Yeah, yeah for sure like literally Yeah, she's gonna write her ticket. Oh, yeah, she's done next. She's literally she literally can make whatever she wants out of this Out of what she built out of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and what she did with Johnny Depp, too I mean, I don't want to diminish that absolutely brilliant Absolutely brilliant woman, uh, sharp. So is there an organization for those kinds of people? I mean, it'll be collections of sub stack or those kinds of, you know, the platform thing is its own thing. I'm thinking back to the like localizing though. Like how do we get back a, I guess it could be sub stacks, right? Like I could turn my writing prowess into an investigative journalism about the business world in Northern Colorado or something. And people could pay you for that. Not me, I'm too busy. I do too many. But, you know, that, that idea, right, that you could say Somebody could become a source, at least, of legitimate journalism of the business community. Well, tell me who's reporting on City Council in Fort Collins. I don't, I have no idea. I don't even know how to learn about it. We're a town of almost 200, 000 people. I know. So how's nobody really interested in what's happening locally? It's been disastrous. It's been all these things, right? So how does nobody know? Nobody's reporting on that. Yeah. There is going to be an encouragement to that. Of course, national stories are always interesting. Of course, there's like elections are always interesting, but Johnny Depp's a localized story. Yeah. It's a story about Johnny Depp. He's famous, but it's a localized story. Right. So, and I think that's, I think that's going to be what's coming. Twitter will, this will, it will be very, very interesting to see what happens here. I'm, I hope that Twitter stakes its claim and Thankfully, if Trump wins tonight. Plants his flag in the land of free speech. This is how, this is where journalism happens. Because I think it is. Spread the word with Twitter and hold it on Substack. That's how you do it. A little bit. I, I mean, I think you do it, you get those two, whether it is, she uses Instagram, whatever it is, but well, how's truth social stock, by the way, have we looked at that? I haven't looked at it. Uh, young Jamie, would you like to look at the true social stock movements over the last 24 hours? Do we have any futures on true social stock? Oh, 3394. It looks like it's down a little bit. Oh, interesting. Well, I think that would be up. Let's see. The poly market's up to 94. 3 percent for Trump right now. Yeah. It went down this, it was, it was down 20 percent it looks like this week, which would probably make an indication that he was going to win, frankly. Well, I mean, I don't know that Is it really a viable platform anyway? It's really Trump's platform. Right. It's just Trump's platform. I don't know. I've never been on it once. Maybe, uh, maybe Musk will buy it from him and Well, they may figure it through the Doge situation. Yeah, something, something. I don't know. Let's, let's call it. I think Trump's got this. I think we're good. Yeah. Uh, we're going to call it. I think I'm even going to win my 20 bucks from, uh, Lenny on the 300 electoral. We'll know late tonight, but I think, I think we've got it. And all of you listening out there that, uh, You know, voted for Harris and think that we're a couple of overblown. Yep. Male. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mansplainers. Um, I love you anyway. And, uh, you know, we'll get through America needs you to just be honest about what situation is for all of us. If we're all honest, we're all honest about what's going to happen. If, if we hurt because of this, we should take honest assessment of why we lost. And if we win, we should take honest assessment about why we win and don't fall, don't fall into traps that are the traditional American planet, you know, situations, which is I was the best candidate of all time. Trump was not the best candidate of all time. At the end of the day, Trump was surrounded by a bunch of great people who he looked at it and said, the presidency is bigger than me. That's why he won tonight. Yeah. And each of those people that came around him said the same. Yep. That's why they, that's why he will win tonight when he, if he eventually wins. Harris will have eventually lost because she surrendered to the apparatus, which they said, We can get you across the line. Just don't, don't say anything stupid. Don't say, no, don't say anything stupid. Don't say anything stupid. Emerson, you're wise beyond your years. Um, I'm gonna go ahead and, uh, Say thanks to anybody that's still there on the spaces and, uh, wrap this up on the Loco Experience podcast. Thanks. Mr. Everett, it's been a pleasure again. Always fun. Thank you. Duel, Mr. Everett. Thank you. Yeah, Godspeed. You too.